Preferred pronoun labels at childrens event

[StopitSarah]

I took my primary age children to a science event this weekend. It’s run by university students. Almost all of them had their preferred pronouns on their name labels.

AIBU to feel that was unnecessary and to feel a bit uneasy? One of my children wanted to know why “the man is saying we should say he/him. Isn’t that obvious?”

I asked one of the students who said it was to show support to any trans helpers and was for the benefit of the (adult) students, not the children.

I’m SO BORED and irritated by the trans agenda being every-bloody-where.

But AIBU? I had a good chat with one of the students and he said that they’re all science students and understand that woman = biological female is too simplistic. My brain exploded.

I really don’t understand what point you are trying to make. Do you understand many, many women are not misgendered because of their clothing? Or you think sex is so ambiguous that women are constantly mistaken for men as soon as they wear more ‘masculine’ clothing? Or is this not actually about clothing at all and you have been misgendered for other reasons (I don’t know what they would be).

She DOESN'T CARE.
Good for her.
(Seriously)

An activist?! 😂
Is that what everyone with a different opinion is now?!
🤣

Exactly!!

Not exactly, no. I don’t think it has anything to do with clothing as it doesn’t happen to most women who wear ‘masculine’ clothing. I don’t deny you may have been misgendered if you say you have.

But when I’ve asked what you do in the general public when this happens you’ve not actually said. It must happen an awful lot in public if it happens so often at work events so do you have a strategy to deal with it?

And how would wearing pronoun badges at work help with the many instances that must take place in the public? I don’t know what you are arguing for exactly.

And how would wearing pronoun badges at work help with the many instances that must take place in the public?
Somebody upthread already answered that.

How on earth would a badge have prevented this problem? We all know that makes wear badges that say she/her on them. I'm baffled that you think that pronoun badges would mean you were correctly sexed.

Can you tell me what they said because I really don’t see how wearing a pronoun badge at work would stop you being misgendered at a supermarket?

So, in order to not be upset as a teenager, I should have dressed in a more feminine way?!

That's literally the exact opposite of what I said.
But honestly if it upsets you so much, then you are free to wear a badge saying "I'm female" or whatever. Just as long as there's no expectation for others to follow suit.

And again. Jesus fucking christ. People are sharing their real experience with you of being misgendered and it affecting them, and you simply do not care. To use a good old mumsnet phrase, give your heads a bloody wobble. You claim to be feminists. You claim to support women. But no. You only want to support women who have the same life experience as you. It's truly disgusting and many of you should really be having a long hard think about where your politics are taking you. Over and out.

What part of you can wear a badge if you want but you can't compel others to do the same is offending you?

I don't get it?

Well my politics isn't leading to rapists in prisons and children believing they are born in the wrong body. But you do you.

I’ve read my responses repeatedly and I can’t see that I’ve said I don’t care? I’ve asked what point you are arguing because I really don’t know. Are you suggesting clothes are sex markers? Are you saying pronoun badges in some situations would solve the problem everywhere? Do you want everyone to wear a pronoun badge all of the time?

What are you actually saying and what do you want?

You are blowing a lot of hot air and not actually answering any questions. If people are bothered by being misgendered due to the way they look then wear a badge all the time. Don't compel others to do so though.

How is that difficult to understand?

I'm glad you have acknowledged that mixing boys and girls in certain environments is a safeguarding risk. Because the whole "these are my pronouns, I am who I say I am, and you will comply" thing is feeding into this new phenomenon of allowing males into female safe spaces, or even abolishing the segregation entirely.

What part of other people apart from yourself have said differently, that they do have a problem with anyone wearing a badge, and that any woman who is repeatedly misgendered for looking too blokish should suck it up etc do you not get?!
That's what's not feminism.
Policing other women's femininity/validity to fit your own feminine ideals.

Sorry you went on a school trip and you were put in a room with boys? Didn't your teachers know you're a girl?

Policing other women's femininity/validity to fit your own feminine ideals

How is that policing anyone? Literally no-one has said women should make themselves look more feminine except those using it as a strawman.

I'm just not sure what women who say that they don't dress in a feminine way and then get misgendered, want from this interaction. I genuinely don't.

But yet that's exactly what you are doing? You are scolding women who see the issue with pronoun badges.

I'm not a feminist. I don't claim to be one.

I do believe in women's rights separate from males who claim to be women. I believe that TWAM. I do see the harm in pronouns. I do think gender ideology which is what pronoun badges symbolise leads children to believe they have been born wrong. I think that's horrific. I have a child who could easily have been led down that path because she doesn't do stereotypes, she is often misgendered. She is perfect as she is.

To be clear I couldn't care less if an individual feels the need to wear a badge to clarify their sex. I do care if society is being told that we must adhere to preferred pronouns because It is not benign.

It was an exchange trip organised by the other end as it were. So no, they didn't. It was a long time ago now, but experiences as a teen really do mould your opinions in life. And was obviously at a time when safeguarding wasn't as much of a concern as now. I was a teen who was, like many teens, conscious of my body. The fashion then was baggy clothing (Think Madchester period). Being told I looked like a boy was horribly uncomfortable when I did my apprenticeship. I didn't want to be singled out as the only girl as I had to try and fit in in a very male environment, but also, I didn't want to be called Mr, or "the boy over there", or put into a hotel room with a male because the organisers hadn't noticed I was female!

It's on the thread if you genuinely want to know, could go back and have a look, I presume you can just as well as me?

Cross posted - look there you go @justteanbiscuits has handily answered, that saves you some trawling 🙂

Scolding?! 😂
WTF - how is it scolding to hear a different opinion?!
If you feel told off that's a you problem, nobody's telling you off, just disagreeing with you!

Well I'm not telling you off anyway, I obviously dont speak for everyone so somebody might have been, who knows 😁

What part of telling me I wasn't the right kind of feminist for having a different opinion to yours wasn't scolding?

It's not feminism to only care about some women you agree with but not others though.