Preferred pronoun labels at childrens event

[StopitSarah]

I took my primary age children to a science event this weekend. It’s run by university students. Almost all of them had their preferred pronouns on their name labels.

AIBU to feel that was unnecessary and to feel a bit uneasy? One of my children wanted to know why “the man is saying we should say he/him. Isn’t that obvious?”

I asked one of the students who said it was to show support to any trans helpers and was for the benefit of the (adult) students, not the children.

I’m SO BORED and irritated by the trans agenda being every-bloody-where.

But AIBU? I had a good chat with one of the students and he said that they’re all science students and understand that woman = biological female is too simplistic. My brain exploded.

Reading Time to Think by Hannah Barnes at the moment, and it is one of the most shocking things I've ever read.

It has confirmed for me that I am right to shield my children from as much of the coercion involved as I can and to continue to have gentle conversations with them where I am clear that biological sex is real, immutable and it's not wrong, rude or offensive to stick to those facts.

YANBU. Episodes like this one wouldn't have caused me to give it much thought a few years ago, but now I feel much less inclined to let the little things go as it feels as though you're complicit in the whole thing if you go along with it. At least they just wore the badges and weren't asking you to state pronouns on arrival though, which was my first thought on seeing your title.

Sadly so did many of the people who have gone on to transition.

www.peaktrans.org/detransitioning/

Sorry that should have said gone on to detransition.

There's a few case studies in 'Time to Think' where the individual had given it huge amounts of thought, it hasn't stopped the regret or the negative impacts of surgery/hormones etc. There's also a couple of episodes of 'Gender - A Wider Lens' where they speak to individuals with incredibly long standing histories who feel that medical professionals should not have facilitated their transition.

I mean I would really hope that every single person who has gone on to have a double mastectomy and possibly genital reassignment has taken many years to think about it.

Sadly I don't think this is always happening. See link below for a lovely example of a US doctor using tik tok to encourage girls as young as 13 to have life changing surgeries.

Yeet the teets

If the trans activists had their way this would be available here too.

If John is in the other room then why care what pronouns you use?

To all those not understanding why this is the tip of an important iceberg, and that it does not affect them so they are 'chi'' with it:
can-sg.org/2023/02/23/open-letter-to-nhs-chiefs-the-importance-of-the-word-woman/

'Chill'

What about the fucked-up kids who are the casualties of the drive to affirm every delusion? They're the ones who will grow up infertile, with ongoing health conditions.

@HockeyJock thank you so much for the book recommendation. I’d encourage anyone to look it up and read the reviews. “time to think” by Hannah Barnes

What would you do if one of your kids or grandkids was anorexic?

Would you look at their emaciated body and agree with them that they're fat? Would you start fundraising for a gastric band?

Of course you bloody wouldn't.

@MaryMcCarthy It's so interesting hearing your thoughts. What do you think about the Transabled?

I would never ever ever stand by passively whole my wonderful child with their healthy body was subjected to unnecessary surgery and condemned to a lifelong dependency on unlicensed drugs.

Of course I would talk to them! And get them any help and therapeutic support they needed to help them feel comfortable with their body as it is. I would support them to dress how they wanted and follow any path in life they chose, whilst supporting to accept their biological reality. And no, the fucked up kids are not the ones who are kept away from experimental surgery and unlicensed drugs

Thank goodness it's not just me, was wondering the same myself!

Some of your kids are going to feel non-binary, some of them are going to experience gender dysphoria. What are you going to do? Try and talk them out of it?

YES.

I find the whole thing a bit odd too. Work are very keen on adding pro nouns to email signatures on basis it helps include trans people but what if they are trans and don’t want to be “out” at work. Surely it’s then just making things harder as you either are forced to come out and give your preferred pronouns when you may not feel ready or you give the ones that fit your sex and that likely makes you feel uncomfortable too. It feels like it helps a subset of trans people but doesn’t help them all and it likely isn’t helpful for women to have she/her at end of all mails either.

How do they tell the difference? My primary age daughter gets quite upset sometimes as people keep thinking she’s a boy. It’s because she has super short hair and likes joggers. I’m not a big fan of pronoun labels for other reasons but there is no question you can’t always tell someone’s sex by looking at them.

Then, we would have gender change laws that say women can be men BUT they cannnot inherit estates passed through the male line (ie the law in place currently) NOR can they vote NOR own property or whatever else men can do but women can’t. Play sport. How fun and enlightened.

Also they are like vegans and Yorkshire men, they will tell you.

Would you care if you made a mistake in someone’s biological sex and it upset them?
I ask as while I also have concerns about ensuring single sex spaces can be protected I don’t understand the attitude that it’s ok to use the pro nouns you believe best fit someone you see even if someone has told you they’d prefer different ones. You might well forget/make a mistake and I don’t think that’s some unforgivable mistake but doing it on purpose is just rude and it’s pretty nasty.

My eldest is often mistaken for a boy because she likes joggers & dark colours and she prefers short hair. I have noticed lately sometimes even if I correct people they keep using male pronouns. I had worked on the assumption they just forgot but if people think like you maybe I should consider the possibility they are just being dicks about it 🤷🏼‍♀️

He - for a male
She - for a female
They - for more than one person

The vocal minority wants me to use language that I am uncomfortable with. It also doesn't make sense. That's not inclusive.

This.

A lazy and childish comparison.

Believing in biology, safeguarding young people from unnecessary meds and surgery and protecting females places in sport is not a comparison to racism.

Such utter utter bollocks

She's a young child. When she gets older there will be far less confusion...

How true 😂

My eldest is often mistaken for a boy because she likes joggers & dark colours and she prefers short hair. I have noticed lately sometimes even if I correct people they keep using male pronouns. I had worked on the assumption they just forgot but if people think like you maybe I should consider the possibility they are just being dicks about it 🤷🏼‍♀️

Yes so does my daughter.

She's autistic CAMHS even asked questioned her gender identity, which was interesting to say the least.

But she's not bothered. She's herself. Girls can wear and do what they want. If a person misgenders my daughter it really doesn't ruin her day. But yes it tends to happen less now she's hit puberty, her body shape gives it away.