Preferred pronoun labels at childrens event

[StopitSarah]

I took my primary age children to a science event this weekend. It’s run by university students. Almost all of them had their preferred pronouns on their name labels.

AIBU to feel that was unnecessary and to feel a bit uneasy? One of my children wanted to know why “the man is saying we should say he/him. Isn’t that obvious?”

I asked one of the students who said it was to show support to any trans helpers and was for the benefit of the (adult) students, not the children.

I’m SO BORED and irritated by the trans agenda being every-bloody-where.

But AIBU? I had a good chat with one of the students and he said that they’re all science students and understand that woman = biological female is too simplistic. My brain exploded.

I'm madly much chilled. But you sound very angry.

MaryMcCarthy - I am not going to refer to a man as she just because he wants me to, to make him feel happy. It's just nonsense and I won't pander to it.

You're only disadvantaging yourselves though.

You're rowing against the tide.

The point is that kids are being forced to call their peers a pronoun at school that isn't biological reality. It is enforced. They are told off for misgendering. This isn't being kind. Why can't we teach that no body is the 'wrong body' and get to a place where if you are an effeminate male you can just be an effiminate male. You don't need to pathologise or medicalise it. Why can't we help people just accept people outside traditional notions of whatbis a man or woman? Why do we have to force our kids to feel on edge be corrected about the pronouns of their peers. It is wrong.

Which tide are you talking about because most kids don't actually believe in this nonsense anyway?

My 16 year old son and his mates think it's all a load of navel gazing nonsense.

I'm going to put another view across here.

In the noughties, there was a tide towards a trend of military interventionalism. The UK went with it. France rowed against it. I wouldn't say that this "seed of change" took significant root and that the French decision-makers found themselves on the wrong side of history.

Just because something is a trend does not mean it will endure.

They are compelled to pretend they believe it in school because schools have been captured by this ideological nonsense.

They all know it's impossible to change sex.

'Where are the equal opportunities for the racists?' Sounds ridiculous doesn't it?

We have Norway, Sweden, Finland and U.K. starting to push back against this nonsense to some degree already, so I'm not sure where this 'you'll left behind' idea is coming from.

Where are the equal opportunities for people who are gender critical?

"Where are the equal opportunities for the racists?' Sounds ridiculous doesn't it?

Gender-critical belief is protected by law though!

People who think it is impossible to change sex are racists?

Blimey this is getting more and more ridiculous.

I mean this was going on in Germany in the 1980s, for those who think all direction of travel is positive and there's no point in people pushing against 'the tide'.

www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/07/26/the-german-experiment-that-placed-foster-children-with-pedophiles

Are you defining racists as black people who don’t believe white people can be black just because so they say so?

'Where are the equal opportunities for the misogynists?’ EVERYWHERE.

Ok.

MaryMcCarthy · Today 19:02

I'm telling people to be fine with men in women's spaces? I'd love you to point out where I said that.

It's implicit in your claim that neither you, nor anyone you know has ever experienced it.

evasmith1912 · Today 19:39

- - Where are the equal opportunities for people who are gender critical? - -

'Where are the equal opportunities for the racists?' Sounds ridiculous doesn't it?1

Yes, your analogy does sound ridiculous, because it is. Understanding basic biology and not believing that men can become women is nothing like racism, however disingenuously you like to pretend that it is.

You've been using people's chosen prefixes for all your life though.. Whether someone chooses to use Miss, Mrs or Ms. Is that compelled speech?

*We managed for millennia with dysentery and cholera, dying at 30.

Things move on. You can accept that or you can shout at the clouds.*

Fucking hell, is this really the calibre of argument now?

It would be if it was a male demanding to be addressed as any of those, yes.

Start a thread about it then. This one is about name badges.

Conversations evolve. What a shocker.

Not if it aligns with their sex!

I'm not sure what kind of gotcha you think this is.

When I talk about compelled speech I am talking about being forced to say that which I KNOW to not be true. Not doing that. Sorry I don't care if it hurts your feelings. It hurts females as a sex class, and homosexuals and children.

Just no. Your personality (because that's what gender boils down to) is not that interesting and it certainly does not change reality.

Thank you. I work with a trans man who has transitioned through surgery and hormone treatment. He lost some friends and family in the process. He didn't go through all of that for shits and giggles. I'm happy that he is now the person on the outside that he knows reflects the person on the inside and I think he's incredibly brave.

It's awful that women feel the need to remove themselves from womanhood in this way by harming their bodies. Society will never treat them as males. Especially not men.

But these women rejecting woman hood are not reason enough for us to pretend that sex doesn't matter or lose our rights to single sex spaces and sports or to socially transition young children.

I do hope that your colleague will not be many of the detransitioners when they realise that you can't really change your sex. It's unthinkably sad.

I'm pretty sure he put several years of thought into it...