Preferred pronoun labels at childrens event

[StopitSarah]

I took my primary age children to a science event this weekend. It’s run by university students. Almost all of them had their preferred pronouns on their name labels.

AIBU to feel that was unnecessary and to feel a bit uneasy? One of my children wanted to know why “the man is saying we should say he/him. Isn’t that obvious?”

I asked one of the students who said it was to show support to any trans helpers and was for the benefit of the (adult) students, not the children.

I’m SO BORED and irritated by the trans agenda being every-bloody-where.

But AIBU? I had a good chat with one of the students and he said that they’re all science students and understand that woman = biological female is too simplistic. My brain exploded.

And like you @Tellyaddict123 , I’m not massively affected by transwomen. I don’t plan to commit a crime so I’ll hopefully never be in prison. I have no intention of playing any competitive sport. My children are both boys so I have no daughters to worry about. I rarely see transwomen. They have no direct impact on my life.

However, I am also aware that I am not the only person in the world, and many other people have different lives to mine. And I want them to be protected.

I was actually raped as a teenager. Luckily none of this madness was happening back then, so the women in the Rape Crisis Centre were women. The women who comforted me in the public toilet that I ran to were women. If I’d seen a man in either of those places, after what I’d been through, I’d have been very unhappy, regardless of how much he “felt” like a woman!

think is Telly by expanding the definition of women to also include men who ‘identify’ as women whilst simultaneously expanding the definition of trans to include pretty much anyone who says they are, you’re giving men an enormous opportunity to come into women’s spaces & take up women’s places simply by saying “I identify as a woman”.

you don’t have to do anything to identify as a women - no stereotypical female dress is required, no drugs, no surgery, nothing, just the words “I identify as a woman”

why wouldn’t men who want to hurt, assault, humiliate women or even just those who think it’s all a bit of a laugh & chance to get one over on the feminists take advantage of that

it’s so fucking easy

One of my children wanted to know why “the man is saying we should say he/him. Isn’t that obvious?”

Well. No. That's the whole point - and youve just inadvertently proven why this was probably a good thing to put in place...

Most GC people are fully supportive of trans people's rights to live and present any way they want
How does that work then when people are literally saying naval gazing bollocks, that pronoun badges shouldn't be used as it upsets them and we have eyes we know what they are etc....
How can they live and present any way they want if people say they shouldn't be?
You're completely contradicting yourself/views on this thread that align with yours.

@Tellyaddict123 as @Chocsandflowers said, you are a bigot and a TERF if you don’t support transwomen in women’s prisons and women’s sports. That’s how you’ll be defined if you have this debate with people.

"AIBU to feel that was unnecessary and to feel a bit uneasy? One of my children wanted to know why “the man is saying we should say he/him. Isn’t that obvious?”

The answer is really pretty simple. "Because some people like to be called differently". Young kids don't need to be told more than that, and will be completely understanding of it.

I am as GC as they come and I don't really care about pronouns. I inwardly roll my eyes as I personally think it's bollocks but hey ho, if it makes someone feel better then all power to them.

I think trans people should live they way they want to - to an extent. If that means dressing in ways they perceive makes them a woman, dress, heels, make up (I only do 1 out of these) then fine. Doesn't affect me at all.

It's when it does affect me as a sex class it becomes a problem, which is accessing sex based spaces which women have fought hard for, being comfortable in toilets, changing rooms, places like prisons, sports, rape crisis centres. Hopefully I'll never have to access some of these but I recognise other, mostly vulnerable women, do, and it shouldn't be with biological males, no matter how they identify.

Women are statistically more at risk of harm from men, and unfortunately we don't know the ones from those with a genuine gender dysphoria just wanting to live their lives as authentically and quietly as possible, from those who seek to harm us. They don't come with a flashing warning.

Hence why spaces are separated by sex in the first place. A lot shout 'harmful men will access these spaces anyway!' if they want to harm, but that's like saying what's the point of locking your doors, having a ring doorbell, if burglars are going to burgle anyway. It's called SAFEGUARDING.

Inclusivity doesn't mean getting to access any space you want.

My understanding was that though they were put in a woman's prison, they were in isolation and on a separate floor with zero mixing with female inmates. I'm not sure how that posed any danger?

@Tellyaddict123

No biological men can compete in female sports that’s just silly. That would be an unfair advantage.

Come on, don't play the ingenue here, you've participated in enough of these threads to know that that is exactly what is happening.

@QuizzlyBear The male estate has isolation. Keep him there.

If there was no risk of danger, why did Nicola Sturgeon get involved?

Green and blue might indeed be similar, but I agree with the previous post.
What about using the word green for things that are red?
Using the word cat for dogs? What if you ordered a pair of trainers online and got a microwave?
Words do matter.

@Sarahcoggles I believe because the media reported it simply as them being 'put in a female prison' to encourage the kind of hysterical outcry we've seen on here without bothering to report the full situation.

Oh dear.

And indeed some people actually are she. Shame on anyone who deliberately misleads children.

they’re all science students and understand that woman = biological female is too simplistic

Male-supremacist politics, dismally poor science education and no one with the courage to stand up for reality. What a vision for the future.

Assigning the grammatical gender „male“ to a table in German (for instance), or „neutral“ to a car has got nothing to do with pretending humans can change sex. Table and car are sexless, humans are not.

"Karen White" wasn't isolated though. The convicted rapist was in a position to assault several female inmates.

Danger to the female warders, for a start. Obvious, but you have to recognise that working-class people in unfashionable jobs are human beings.

Can't be arsed with all this bollocks, thank god my children are adults now. Why on earth would a man at a children's event want the children to refer to him as a she. Totally unnecessary and confusing for the children.

@DdraigGoch and that was clearly wrong. I'm not advocating for everyone who rocks up and says they're the opposite gender to be immediately treated as them with all the rights and privileges that go with it. I'm advocating for ACTUAL trans people (who have received counselling and often spent years transitioning) to receive understanding and compassion for living what is a pretty awful experience.

In prisons I think they should be isolated from the other inmates, then it doesn't matter which 'gender' prison they're in. I will say however that prisoner-on-prisoner violence is already through the roof in single-sex prisons so I don't think the introduction of a single individual would make the world of difference to an already messed-up prison system.

@Ofcourseshecan you know that men's prisons already do have female guards right? What makes them at greater risk from a trans woman than a CIS convicted murderer or rapist?

Well the problem is that trans IS anyone who identifies as.

It isn't limited to Gender dysphoria.

So your gripe is with the wrong people. If you feel sorry for genuine trans people who are being caught up in this ideology then you should join with women to fight against Self ID policies like many trans people (formerly known as transsexuals) have.

In prisons I think they should be isolated from the other inmates, then it doesn't matter which 'gender' prison they're in.

Costly for a start.

And against the equality act because if you compare them to biological men they aren't forced/offered isolation. Hell even if the comparator is incorrectly applied as women they are still being discriminated against.

You also seem to be missing the point that it's the women props that are desired, not the random space.

I think you need to think things through before you go telling people well versed in this how to do things. You just look really ill informed.

And the easy way to keep women safe in prison from male violence is to make them single sex.

Women are not second class to any male. Not even ones who are genuine trans.

Are you proposing that we gatekeep those who are "actual transpeople" vs those who are just swinging the lead? That rather goes against the grain of "acceptance without exception".