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Would you hand over the CCTV footage?

199 replies

Puttingchildrenfirst · 18/03/2023 15:38

I can't work out what is the "right" thing to do.

We have CCTV on our house, it Covers our drive, back garden and some of the street outside our house (angled to show our front path and front garden but also catches some of the on street parking).

We checked the legality of it all when we installed it but have had endless problems with one of our neighbours objecting to it. They like to purposefully stand in the cameras view to give us the finger and once even came up our drive to spit on it. To be honest its a wider issue as our old owners used to allow them to use their drive for parking and we stopped that when we moved in, they never got over that.

To cut a long story short... they have had someone hit their car outside ours. They have demanded (not asked mind!) That we send them the CCTV footage of the incident. It does show what seems to be a car going too close to theirs, but doesn't show the occupant or the licence plate.

I'll be honest the CFery astounds me, I want to tell them to take a running jump if they think they're getting help from the cameras that they have complained about since the beginning.

I know we have to give someone any stored images of an individual if they complete an SAR, but I don't think that applies here. But then again I feel like I'm creating extra tension (and being an arse) if we refuse! I would give it to the police if they asked but I can't imagine they'll investigate the matter and just say insurance should handle it.

So would you hand it over (after all it is a crime to hit a car and drive off) or tell them to take a long walk off a short pier?

YANBU - don't hand over footage
YABU - you should give the footage

OP posts:
Pringleface · 18/03/2023 15:39

I would tell them to get fucked, personally.

callthataspade · 18/03/2023 15:41

I would be petty and send them the footage of them giving the camera the finger.

Nah. They can get to fuck if you're going to help them.

AlrightJulia · 18/03/2023 15:41

I would just tell them the camera is only set to record within a certain distance of your house and you didn't get anything. CFs indeed!

Oysterbabe · 18/03/2023 15:41

I think I'd be the bigger person and give it to them.

Youvebeenseeingsos · 18/03/2023 15:41

“Sorry…there is an intermittent fault. We’re waiting for someone to come and fix it”

OneSmallStepUp · 18/03/2023 15:41

I would hand over the footage but tell them to stop being such a bunch of cunts about the cameras now.

PinedApple · 18/03/2023 15:43

OneSmallStepUp · 18/03/2023 15:41

I would hand over the footage but tell them to stop being such a bunch of cunts about the cameras now.

Agreed - the most reasonable approach. If they want the footage, they no longer get to complain, give it the finger or (!) spit on your drive. Wtf.

Quveas · 18/03/2023 15:43

"I am very sorry but it's a breach of GDPR to provide CCTV footage without a warrant so please come back when you have one".

Original poster
Puttingchildrenfirst · 18/03/2023 15:43

That's what I wanted to say, I managed a "well I doubt it will have caught it, after all you told us to move it so it didn't record the road anymore 💁". But they've just asked again to see what was captured ...

OP posts:
IncompleteSenten · 18/03/2023 15:44

I'd like my arse off and say oh sorry. I can't do that. Remember how cross you have been about my CCTV? To protect your privacy I ensured my CCTV is greyed out in places. Such a shame I can't help you but I knew how important it was to you to not be affected by my CCTV so I made sure it wouldn't be a problem.

I'm a petty fucker

longleggirl · 18/03/2023 15:45

callthataspade · 18/03/2023 15:41

I would be petty and send them the footage of them giving the camera the finger.

Nah. They can get to fuck if you're going to help them.

Me too, but I am petty lol. Karmas a bitch! How odd that they were so angry about them in the first place. They don't deserve your help OP.

WeeOrcadian · 18/03/2023 15:46

I'd be tempted to do a combo - include the part where their spit on the camera / give it the finger, and the actual footage, making sure they're aware that the footage doesn't actually include any identifying information or proof that their car was hit.

Or, because I'm petty AF, just the part where they give your camera the finger. Because they're areseholes, your footage doesn't show anything, and you don't them owe anything.

DrMeredithGrey2023 · 18/03/2023 15:46

I probably wouldn't give it to them tbh.

But, I do also think it's strange when people have cctv that covers outside of their boundary. Although I wouldn't spit on the persons drive, or stick my finger up at the camera.

WedonttalkaboutMaureen · 18/03/2023 15:51

God why wouldn't you take the chance to give them a metaphorical finger back the rude fuckers Grin I'd def go with the footage of them on a loop and that was all they get.

DiscoBoots · 18/03/2023 15:56

I'd probably give it to them but after pointing out that they have been complete arses about the cameras, and you will share the footage on the condition that this arseholeness stops immediately and doesn't recommence. I'd be tempted to ask them for an apology too, as a condition of handing it over, but probably wouldn't be brave enough to actually ask for this in reality.

If you refuse it could stoke the fire even more, whereas it won't cost you anything to hand it over and will establish you as the bigger person.

If say I hoped that by giving them what they want you can both draw a line under past unpleasantness and hopefully have a more neighbourly relationship in the future, and then try and uphold my end by waving etc, though probably tersley to start with until I see if they warm up

Two wrongs don't make a right etc, and always nicer to have surface cordiality if possible

scrivette · 18/03/2023 15:59

I would just say 'sorry it isn't working, I had better get it fixed in case they come back along the street'.

Fairyliz · 18/03/2023 16:01

IncompleteSenten · 18/03/2023 15:44

I'd like my arse off and say oh sorry. I can't do that. Remember how cross you have been about my CCTV? To protect your privacy I ensured my CCTV is greyed out in places. Such a shame I can't help you but I knew how important it was to you to not be affected by my CCTV so I made sure it wouldn't be a problem.

I'm a petty fucker

Yes me too @IncompleteSenten

WaltzingWaters · 18/03/2023 16:01

OneSmallStepUp · 18/03/2023 15:41

I would hand over the footage but tell them to stop being such a bunch of cunts about the cameras now.

This.

PriamFarrl · 18/03/2023 16:02

Don’t hand it over. Bollocks to them.

AnnoyedFromSlough · 18/03/2023 16:07

Some highlights from here www.gov.uk/government/publications/domestic-cctv-using-cctv-systems-on-your-property/domestic-cctv-using-cctv-systems-on-your-property

3.4 Taking responsibility for your CCTV system

you must make sure that the information is not used for any other purpose than protecting your property

you will need to be aware of individuals’ data protection rights and make sure you take steps to allow the people you record to exercise these rights effectively (for example, you will need to respond appropriately to any subject access requests you receive from the people you record)

3.5 Storing the recorded information
Ensure you bear the following in mind when storing the information you record on your CCTV system:

you should not store any information or images for longer than is necessary to protect your property which means you should delete the information once it is no longer required

you should make sure that the information recorded is used only for the purpose for which your system was installed (for example it will not be appropriate to share any recordings on social media sites)

you must keep the recordings secure and keep access to them to a minimum (remember that you are responsible for what happens with the information)

in certain circumstances, the information you record may be used as evidence by the police in an investigation (therefore, if you are not sure, it is important to check with your installer or local police authority that the information you record can be used for this purpose when required)

FUSoftPlay · 18/03/2023 16:08

IncompleteSenten · 18/03/2023 15:44

I'd like my arse off and say oh sorry. I can't do that. Remember how cross you have been about my CCTV? To protect your privacy I ensured my CCTV is greyed out in places. Such a shame I can't help you but I knew how important it was to you to not be affected by my CCTV so I made sure it wouldn't be a problem.

I'm a petty fucker

This.

DarkDarkNight · 18/03/2023 16:09

Would I fuck help them out with the way they have behaved. Tell them the CCTV only covers your property.

StuartBroadshairband · 18/03/2023 16:10

AnnoyedFromSlough · 18/03/2023 16:07

Some highlights from here www.gov.uk/government/publications/domestic-cctv-using-cctv-systems-on-your-property/domestic-cctv-using-cctv-systems-on-your-property

3.4 Taking responsibility for your CCTV system

you must make sure that the information is not used for any other purpose than protecting your property

you will need to be aware of individuals’ data protection rights and make sure you take steps to allow the people you record to exercise these rights effectively (for example, you will need to respond appropriately to any subject access requests you receive from the people you record)

3.5 Storing the recorded information
Ensure you bear the following in mind when storing the information you record on your CCTV system:

you should not store any information or images for longer than is necessary to protect your property which means you should delete the information once it is no longer required

you should make sure that the information recorded is used only for the purpose for which your system was installed (for example it will not be appropriate to share any recordings on social media sites)

you must keep the recordings secure and keep access to them to a minimum (remember that you are responsible for what happens with the information)

in certain circumstances, the information you record may be used as evidence by the police in an investigation (therefore, if you are not sure, it is important to check with your installer or local police authority that the information you record can be used for this purpose when required)

So, as she should only keep the footage for as long as is necessary to protect her property, she is good to delete the footage as it shows nothing happening to her property, am I right?

Bunnyhascovidnoteggs · 18/03/2023 16:10

Some twat put a brick through ds's UPVC window. Police told him if HE collected cctv evidence from neighbours they would take it further. Nobody would help him. Cost him for a new window. Took 3 of us 5 hours to clean up the mess. And ds a lot in home security as he was scared to be home alone.. Help your neighbours op. Even though they haven't exactly been polite!

onionringcheeseypuff · 18/03/2023 16:13

I'm another petty fucker, I'd like to say fuck them

But maybe giving them the footage would stop their own pettiness and give you a break

But imo fuck em, they get nowt