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Ofsted needs to be abolished - further details

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MrsMurphyIWish · 18/03/2023 07:53

Have started a new thread as think it’s important this doesn’t just get lost on my previous thread

The Ofsted report for the school where the head teacher died has been published …

They are toxic and need reform immediately.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4765105-ofsted-needs-to-be-abolished-trigger-warning?page=1

Ofsted needs to be abolished - further details
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Eleganz · 18/03/2023 13:44

Puzzledandpissedoff · 18/03/2023 13:41

I think the Education Secretary should intervene and have this report removed and no reports posted until some clear process to avoid any such repetition is in place

That might work right up to the point when a child suffers because effective safeguarding wasn't in place, and then I guarantee it would be "Why weren't we told?"

Nobody's suggested other than that the Headteacher's death is a tragedy; however firstly we don't know the full reason for it, and secondly I'm not sure it's a justification for overlooking whatever might be going on at the school

The report should not have mentioned her death as this occured after the inspection. Putting such post-inspection event comments in is highly unusual and as such seems deliberate and an attempt to in some way mitigate Ofsted's alleged role in this.

The report should be revised and that bullet point removed at the very least.

noblegiraffe · 18/03/2023 13:45

secondly I'm not sure it's a justification for overlooking whatever might be going on at the school

And you keep arguing this like anyone is arguing that safeguarding isn't important or shouldn't be inspected.

Who exactly are you arguing with?

peeweechigs · 18/03/2023 13:52

Having just had an ofsted inspection, I think they can't do right for doing wrong. No doubt it's extremely stressful, but what's the alternative, someone needs to come in and check. The school improvement advisor comes very sporadically as do subject guidance but no one else checked safeguarding, SCR, recruitment checks etc. attendance and following up safety concerns were also mentioned in that report and that is basic stuff that should be done thoroughly, so why wasn't it? These things are to keep children safe and in school and they do need checking by someone.

I'm very sorry that the headteacher didn't get more support before the inspection because maybe these things would have been picked up and she wouldn't have failed in the manner she did.
Mental health support should be put in place or offered to all heads after an inspection as it is so very stressful.

MrsMurphyIWish · 18/03/2023 13:55

Theos · 18/03/2023 13:44

Op.
this isn’t a clear thread.

Read my first thread.

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Burgoo · 18/03/2023 13:57

We must be clear that suicidal people often have a lot of issues underneath and they simply can't find a way out of the hell. I don't buy this "ofsted led to her ending her life" rhetoric, it is ludicrous. The standards may need reform but getting a worse rating isn't a cause for killing yourself (on its own).

We need to move away from a "rating matters" approach to a "ratings can aid improvement" approach. We need to stop this nonsense of just stamping a rating as though it is a marker for success. Every school (and NHS trust) should be open to learning and developing and improving. Inspections should find fault with every school because no school is 100% perfect 100% of the time. But the culture is "if it isn't good then its a failure" and that is not helpful

Puzzledandpissedoff · 18/03/2023 13:59

Why do parents need to be told that paperwork needs completing?

They don't, but the report makes it clear there was rather more than just "paperwork" involved here, and while it's safeguarding being talked about in this particular instance I was thinking of the bigger picture

I do now agree that a mention of the HT's death may have been better left out - though then they'd probably have been slammed for "ignoring her" - but some seem to be moving awfully close to a position that Ofsted/criticism shouldn't exist just in case there's another fatality, and I'm not sure that's helpful

noblegiraffe · 18/03/2023 13:59

We need to move away from a "rating matters" approach to a "ratings can aid improvement" approach.

Or we could bin the ratings. There's no need for them.

MrsMurphyIWish · 18/03/2023 13:59

You obviously had a good rating/fair team/a toxic member of SLT yourself … I don’t know.

All I know is that I have taught for 23 years and have had 5 inspections. The last decade has been awful under “Ofsted” prep. The last inspection I endured (2008) wasn’t supportive and my dept was mentioned in the report as being the only outstanding department. I could have walked around my school feeling like cock of the walk but I didn’t - my colleagues were broken.

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MrsMurphyIWish · 18/03/2023 14:00

@peeweechigs sorry - didn’t tag you.

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TheFallenMadonna · 18/03/2023 14:00

Safeguarding audits between inspections are one bit of QA I absolutely support, for this reason. Better to be told you've got things wrong in private so you can put it right, than have it shouted to the world by Ofsted.

noblegiraffe · 18/03/2023 14:00

but some seem to be moving awfully close to a position that Ofsted/criticism shouldn't exist just in case there's another fatality

Not seen anyone getting anywhere near this position.

Shinyandnew1 · 18/03/2023 14:01

Mental health support should be put in place or offered to all heads after an inspection as it is so very stressful.

Or the whole inspection structure could be reformed so it is actually useful and not so stressful?

TheFallenMadonna · 18/03/2023 14:02

2008 inspections were a completely different experience to now.

Don't Labour want to move to report cards rather than grading?

unicornjewels · 18/03/2023 14:04

It's tragic and the way it is reported as a bullet point next to the breakfast club info is disgusting.
As someone pointed out on Twitter, which other job has their performance management published for everyone to see?
Being a head is a thankless job IMO.

MrsMurphyIWish · 18/03/2023 14:04

I meant 2018 - not 2008!

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MrsMurphyIWish · 18/03/2023 14:06

(Although it would have been lovely to have not been inspected since 2008)

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Halfull · 18/03/2023 14:06

I’m responsible for recruitment checks at my school and it keeps me awake at night. What isn’t apparent is the Dfe provide no template, guidance on certain checks isn’t always clear and even if you’re regularly audited there can be conflicts between what is expected and disagreements on what should and should not be retained because of GDPR. Add to that a couple of ofsted inspectors who have a very wide remit and their own subjective opinions and it’s a massive banana skin. The fact inspectors at this school said there was no risk to children to the governing body but then still gave inadequate makes me wonder what, then, was actually wrong. And we’ll never know. That poor headteacher. We all know that this could happen to any of us in an inspection.

I’ve had some amazing, positive and supportive Ofsted inspections, and others where it’s immediately apparent that the inspectors are out to find fault, where they’ve intimidated and bullied staff into flat panic from the moment they walk through the door. It’s the luck of the draw, but even if these inspectors never inspect again, it’s too late for this poor woman who it is apparent did a huge amount for her school and community. Just stinks.

Richhandcream · 18/03/2023 14:09

I've read many Ofsted reports and have had a good read of this one. I agree that the death of this headteacher should not have been added, it's absolutely insensitive. However - the report has been published by the school before appearing on the Ofsted website. That's extremely unusual and makes me wonder if the school have published the version of the report that they get to comment on, which could change before being published.
This reads like a lovely school with a lot of positive stuff happening. However every Headteacher and governor knows (or they should!) that failings in safeguarding procedures will definitely mean RI, or Inadequate. Reading the report - there were failings. That's not something inspectors can make up, they will be looking at records and documented communication, if that isn't there then there are safeguarding failings. For the sake of the children that has to be recognised and dealt with. It's a blow when RI happens, but there are many schools who were able to turn it round very quickly. The inspector would have given a lot more information to the HT and governors at the briefing meeting and they will have a clear idea of what needs to be addressed. Support comes in from the LA or MAT. Ofsted can even be invited back in early.

Having said that, the Ofsted inspection system is flawed. It is inconsistent and the inspectors vary widely in their approach. You could also wonder whether gradings are even appropriate, and instead whether there should simply be a constructive report to aid development. I just think of that poor, poor lady and her staff, it's tragic.

TheFallenMadonna · 18/03/2023 14:10

MrsMurphyIWish · 18/03/2023 14:04

I meant 2018 - not 2008!

Actually, also pretty different! I did way less paperwork prep (although obviously didn't sleep the night before!).

Shinyandnew1 · 18/03/2023 14:12

However-the report has been published by the school before appearing on the Ofsted website. That's extremely unusual and makes me wonder if the school have published the version of the report that they get to comment on, which could change before being published

I don’t think so. I think the report had been already published on the Ofsted website but they have recently deleted it.

MrsMurphyIWish · 18/03/2023 14:12

TheFallenMadonna · 18/03/2023 14:10

Actually, also pretty different! I did way less paperwork prep (although obviously didn't sleep the night before!).

My first Ofsted was 2001. I don’t remember being stressed at all. I’m sure I was but it pales into the normal stress I feel every day now.

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noblegiraffe · 18/03/2023 14:13

Whether the report is valid or not, or there were safeguarding issues or not is BESIDES THE POINT.

It is entirely possible for a school to have safeguarding issues that are discovered by inspection that are then effectively dealt with without this absolutely stressful and ridiculous inspection system, without these labels being put on schools, and without public shaming.

MrsMurphyIWish · 18/03/2023 14:16

noblegiraffe · 18/03/2023 14:13

Whether the report is valid or not, or there were safeguarding issues or not is BESIDES THE POINT.

It is entirely possible for a school to have safeguarding issues that are discovered by inspection that are then effectively dealt with without this absolutely stressful and ridiculous inspection system, without these labels being put on schools, and without public shaming.

Absolutely - and this is what is wrong with Ofsted. Find the faults and put them right, do not place the blame squarely with one person. The whole world can see a judgement of a school if it likes - what other business faces that scrutiny? And please don’t anyone say “schools aren’t businesses” - I be worked under MATs for 15 years. We are.

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MrsMurphyIWish · 18/03/2023 14:16

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 18/03/2023 14:16

some seem to be moving awfully close to a position that Ofsted/criticism shouldn't exist just in case there's another fatality

Not seen anyone getting anywhere near this position

Then perhaps you didn't read the post from 08.33 which I quoted?
Because I'm not sure what else "I think the Education Secretary should intervene and have this report removed and no reports posted until some clear process to avoid any such repetition is in place" can be implying