To think the Tories are clever?

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They are introducing a massive pension tax cuts for their rich mates in the city, and selling it by claiming that it might also persuade a few rich NHS consultants to delay their retirement to their second homes in France for a couple of years.
And who is paying for this? Why you & me, of course, because our basic rate & higher rate tax allowances are being frozen until 2028. This is actually a massive income tax increase for ordinary working people, of course. And the media have fallen for their spin.
That’s smart politics…

@Clavinova Someone has taken your role, I would like you to know that you will always be my favourite cutnpaster.

Tony wasn't a true Tory of the modern kind, though, his main aim didn't appear to be to run the country into the ground.

Tony wasn't a true Tory of the modern kind, though, his main aim didn't appear to be to run the country into the ground

Yes pissing around to try n get a few Consultants to pay some more tax (by working for longer) seems rather weak when the previous Tory PM cost the country over £65bn and is still costing pensions + increased long term borrowing costs.

Looks like running the NHS into the ground is still a tory aim, the new and very poor nhs pay rise is going to come out of existing nhs budget.

I am. And I can’t wait for the next one.

Even with war and the global financial crash.... under Labour you could get emergency and elective healthcare, your kids played sport and could do art/music and inflation wasn't running at 16% (for things we buy, not CD's and DVD players, which the ONS includes in current inflation basket)

It all went down hill with 13 years and still on going Austerity... seen the state of roads or leisure centre closures, the state of schools and education, social care & strikes?

I cannot think of a single public service that has even stood still let alone improved since 2010.

So you can remember Harold Wilson devaluing the pound, and all the brouhaha that caused?

Yes.

And you want to go back to that ;

commonslibrary.parliament.uk/pound-in-your-pocket-devaluation-50-years-on/

Really?

I just remember all the money the labour party wasted when they were in power and how their benefits system created tonnes of single parents and broken families.

I thought it was Boris who single handedly created tonnes of single parents because he knows what a woman is and how to treat them?

No. I want another government like Blair’s. No need to post a whole lot of stuff about how awful it was because I was there and it wasn’t. And I also know about Iraq so there’s no need to point that out either.

I can remember September 2022, do you want to go back to that?

One of the greatest devaluation of the £ against the $ was under Thatcher.. 1980 $2.39, 5 years later $1.079 far exceeds Wilson.

Never really recovered much since, though it did climb under Blair until the Global Financial Crash.. 2008 it was $2.08

After 13 years of the Tories its $1.21, when they took over it was $1.50

Pesky facts ... Terrible aren't they?

"A governments like Blairs's" - hmm,

So what you are saying is that you want another Tory government? (We all know that Blair was a closet Tory)

Or maybe a government like Brown's with it's expenses scandal and sleaze-ridden cabinet?

www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/andrew-grice/review-of-the-year-2009-expenses-scandal-1847865.html

The fact is the main 'problem' is the strong US dollar.
The euro and yen are down by similar percentages vs the dollar since June last year. People are dumping Yens, Euros and Pounds for the safety of the dollar away from energy and war in Europe and a far better rate of interest. Global interest rates have been artificially low for years now.
Time to adjust to reality.

Told you what I want and told you I’m not arguing about it.

That makes a nice change 🙂

Might be worth looking at the current batch of MPs and expenses/cash for questions then digging up the past?

However, if you wish to go down this route, lets look at John Major and the real expenses scandal.

Cash for questions, ministers involved including Major having affairs, even a Tory MP jailed........

so a Tory devalues the £ and thats all ok as its "the strength of the $"

BUT when it happens under Labour, its all their fault and they can't run the economy.

I see.

We are not talking about recent trends though, you bought up Wilson and events over 50 years ago.......

The £ has been falling far more than most other major traded countries, the Euro is down against the $ by about 12% since its launch in 1999.

Isn't 75% of our water owned by foreign companies? We are a cash cow for them. But this is what happens selling everything off.

Sorry wrong thread. Should be in the Feargal Sharkey one

Not this shit again. Every single thread.

Take it from me, I am not one who votes Tory regardless. I'm switching to voting for the Tories because I don' t like what Labour has become. Stand for women's rights now or you will lose them under Starmer's rule

Why are you opening up an old thread just to talk the usual 'don't know what a woman is' shit that the majority of us ignore. Why reopen an old thread for that? Start a new thread and see how that goes. It will just get bundled on by all of your 'don't know what a woman is' chums and turn into an echo chamber, apart from the rest of us posting eye rolling emojis.

You won't convince anyone to think like you do, and you won't convince anyone to vote Tory either because they are by far the worst government we have ever had.

Politics is always about giving stuff to select groups of people (your voters, or more speicifically people who are considering voting for you) and to some degree convincing the other groups that don't get anything that they won't pay for it. You emphasis the benefits and not the cost.

So for example the Tories may announce a great pension incentive for their demographic voters, but will not at the same time shout loudly that it will be the public sector that have to pay for that in reduced wage rises.

Similarly I doubt whether Labour will announce better benefits packages, and at the same time tell the Tory middle class that their taxes will be going up to pay for them all so they better get ready for it.

So more a case of politicians doing what politicians do, rather than "Tories being clever".