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To think the Tories are clever?

402 replies

ClassicLib · 16/03/2023 19:25

They are introducing a massive pension tax cuts for their rich mates in the city, and selling it by claiming that it might also persuade a few rich NHS consultants to delay their retirement to their second homes in France for a couple of years.
And who is paying for this? Why you & me, of course, because our basic rate & higher rate tax allowances are being frozen until 2028. This is actually a massive income tax increase for ordinary working people, of course. And the media have fallen for their spin.
That’s smart politics…

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DojaPhat · 18/03/2023 15:33

@Annastacia1 I haven't written or implied any of the things you've said. Your post is frankly astonishingly ridiculous Confused

Blossomtoes · 18/03/2023 15:33

Some posters to this thread are being misleading. No judgement about whether or not it’s intentional. This situation applies only to parents of children under school age. Explained properly it’s as follows

Mr Hunt extended 30 hours a week of free childcare to working parents with toddlers older than nine months in Wednesday’s Budget.

However, free childcare entitlements, as well as access to the tax-free childcare subsidy scheme, are limited to families where neither parent earns £100,000 or more.

If a parent gets a pay rise that tips them over this benchmark, they face a cliff-edge for childcare support.

The IFS said: “Families can easily be worse off overall even after a substantial pay rise.”

It isn’t about tax at all, it’s about losing out on free childcare.

jgw1 · 18/03/2023 15:53

Blossomtoes · 18/03/2023 15:33

Some posters to this thread are being misleading. No judgement about whether or not it’s intentional. This situation applies only to parents of children under school age. Explained properly it’s as follows

Mr Hunt extended 30 hours a week of free childcare to working parents with toddlers older than nine months in Wednesday’s Budget.

However, free childcare entitlements, as well as access to the tax-free childcare subsidy scheme, are limited to families where neither parent earns £100,000 or more.

If a parent gets a pay rise that tips them over this benchmark, they face a cliff-edge for childcare support.

The IFS said: “Families can easily be worse off overall even after a substantial pay rise.”

It isn’t about tax at all, it’s about losing out on free childcare.

But free childcare is a kind of tax.

Annastacia1 · 18/03/2023 16:26

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DojaPhat · 18/03/2023 16:31

Yes those are my words @Annastacia1 which you took to mean the following which are your words:

Ah, I see, you're one of the ones that thinks what is happening is no big deal and any woman who sticks up for womens basic civil human rights is 'right wing'.

The fact you think our human rights is no big deal, indicates you are hard right than any of us.

I hope you don't conduct yourself like this IRL and this is just your online persona. Have a lovely day Smile

Annastacia1 · 18/03/2023 16:35

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MooseBreath · 18/03/2023 16:42

I don't think they're clever. I think much of the population of the UK is either stupid or ignorant.

JoonT · 18/03/2023 16:46

They must be, considering that the woke/liberal-left run the BBC, the publishing industry, the universities, the Booker Prize, and the arts.

Blossomtoes · 18/03/2023 16:49

JoonT · 18/03/2023 16:46

They must be, considering that the woke/liberal-left run the BBC, the publishing industry, the universities, the Booker Prize, and the arts.

😂😂😂😂😂😂

Emotionalstorm · 18/03/2023 17:28

Most of the country hate labour. It's a soul deep hatred. The conservatives are not loved but at least they're not as hated. I think they will still win the next election but more narrowly than in 2019. They will make the right noises in 2025 and labour will mess up

jgw1 · 18/03/2023 17:31

Emotionalstorm · 18/03/2023 17:28

Most of the country hate labour. It's a soul deep hatred. The conservatives are not loved but at least they're not as hated. I think they will still win the next election but more narrowly than in 2019. They will make the right noises in 2025 and labour will mess up

I'll just leave pop this link up for you.

www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/prediction_main.html

Mojoj · 18/03/2023 17:31

Here's hoping all the Tory voters remember this when the next General Election rolls round. Up here in Scotland, we despair of England's love affair with the Tories.

Emotionalstorm · 18/03/2023 17:32

jgw1 · 18/03/2023 17:31

I'll just leave pop this link up for you.

www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/prediction_main.html

Sweetie the election is in 2025. Two years ago Boris was 15% ahead.

Emotionalstorm · 18/03/2023 17:35

Mojoj · 18/03/2023 17:31

Here's hoping all the Tory voters remember this when the next General Election rolls round. Up here in Scotland, we despair of England's love affair with the Tories.

I am voting Tory and I live in London. Everyone I know intends to do the same so you're probably right.

jgw1 · 18/03/2023 17:36

Emotionalstorm · 18/03/2023 17:32

Sweetie the election is in 2025. Two years ago Boris was 15% ahead.

Its just that a pp suggested that most of the country hate labour, seems odd that so many people are telling the pollsters they will vote labour next time around if that were the case.

Emotionalstorm · 18/03/2023 17:38

jgw1 · 18/03/2023 17:36

Its just that a pp suggested that most of the country hate labour, seems odd that so many people are telling the pollsters they will vote labour next time around if that were the case.

The polls didn't predict the huge majority in 2019 or the first conservative majority with DCams.

Emotionalstorm · 18/03/2023 17:38

Polls are always kinder to labour.

Emotionalstorm · 18/03/2023 17:40

Polls have always overestimated labour.

TheHoover · 18/03/2023 17:40

Its just that a pp suggested that most of the country hate labour, seems odd that so many people are telling the pollsters they will vote labour next time around if that were the case.
you believe a pp’s opinion rather than an organised poll?

Emotionalstorm · 18/03/2023 17:41

TheHoover · 18/03/2023 17:40

Its just that a pp suggested that most of the country hate labour, seems odd that so many people are telling the pollsters they will vote labour next time around if that were the case.
you believe a pp’s opinion rather than an organised poll?

Labours votes are concentrated in fewer constituencies (dense cities). It will be close even if labour win.

Annastacia1 · 18/03/2023 17:45

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True I can’t say I envy them atm

Notonthestairs · 18/03/2023 17:49

"Sweetie the election is in 2025. Two years ago Boris was 15% ahead."

It has to be before 25/1/25 sweetie.

And when was the last time we had a January election? 1910.

January is cold, wet and miserable and the NHS will be in crisis mode again and no doubt are heating bills will be trebled and everyone is skint after Christmas.

GE's more often happen in good weather so April - June.

napody · 18/03/2023 17:57

Neededanewuserhandle · 16/03/2023 19:42

They could have modified the NHS pension scheme like they did for the Judges. But no - give their rich mates a tax break under cover of helping the NHS - it's a serious con. - I wouldn't expect any different of course.

This.

They're in charge of the bloody NHS! No need for crude income based measures.

jgw1 · 18/03/2023 18:04

Emotionalstorm · 18/03/2023 17:41

Labours votes are concentrated in fewer constituencies (dense cities). It will be close even if labour win.

Helpful pollsters consider that sort of thing when calculating how many seats a party is likely to win.
Take a look at this link if you want to understand it more.
www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/prediction_main.html