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To think this is insensitively worded, to say the least?

141 replies

KimberleyClark · 13/03/2023 22:00

From the website of the Royal Osteoporosis Society

theros.org.uk/latest-news/international-women-s-day-let-s-end-the-ageist-stereotypes-that-fuel-the-most-insidious-women-s-health-condition/?_gl=114hsiyd_up*MQ..&gclid=Cj0KCQjwk7ugBhDIARIsAGuvgPboftpiYL9EHStxq48v0H5lLUXvpcznG4Nt93uHDTN9RmPFxGS6j2QaAqj8EALw_wcB

“Most are surprised to hear it affects a half of all women over 50. That’s every other mother. Every other grandmother. And it’s serious. More so than people think: as many people die from its complications as from lung cancer or diabetes. So why is nobody talking about it?“

Do women with osteoporosis who aren’t mothers or grandmothers not count?

OP posts:
AmyDudley · 13/03/2023 23:44

It could easily have included any woman.

It does, it says it affects half of ALL women over 50 before there is any mention of mothers or grandmothers.

KLFisgonnarockyou · 13/03/2023 23:45

Jonesthebones · 13/03/2023 22:39

One of the statistics they quote must be wrong - it's either half of all women, or every other mother and grandmother, but it can't be both as that doesn't take childless women into account. That's why I find it annoying!

It’s not wrong, assuming mothers and non-mothers, all other things being equal, have the same risk.

greenspaces4peace · 13/03/2023 23:47

it's just poorly worded and considering how much someone has been paid to write that up i would expect better.
it might work better as a tv ad with photo's and stats
not sure but the write up reads like the work of a 12 year old class presentation.

KimberleyClark · 13/03/2023 23:47

WigglyWigglyWiggly · 13/03/2023 23:19

The point isn’t that every one is a mother or a grandmother, it’s that everyone has a mother and a grandmother. Therefore, everyone is impacted by the disease and should care about progressing research and developments to tackle it.

But my mother and grandmother are dead. And I don’t have any children or grandchildren to be impacted if I get osteoporosis. So it does feel as though my getting osteoporosis is somehow irrelevant.

OP posts:
EmmaEmerald · 13/03/2023 23:51

greenspaces4peace · 13/03/2023 23:47

it's just poorly worded and considering how much someone has been paid to write that up i would expect better.
it might work better as a tv ad with photo's and stats
not sure but the write up reads like the work of a 12 year old class presentation.

I don't think they will have paid someone to write that, someone just cadged it together in the office.

but..looking at their Twitter feed, they have a Mothers' Day campaign. Can nothing be enjoyed without illness reminders?!

ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 13/03/2023 23:51

NewNameNigel · 13/03/2023 22:35

I think it's the age old thing where women don't have intrinsic value as people. Only as mothers/grandmothers etc. It actually comes up a lot.

Exactly. Marital status plays a role, too. This article has stuck with me for several years:

www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/if-youre-single-with-cancer-you-may-get-less-aggressive-treatment-than-a-married-person/2018/11/30/a1286d20-ce18-11e8-920f-dd52e1ae4570_story.html

7eleven · 13/03/2023 23:52

Sometimes I think it’s preferable to focus on what’s helpful rather than what’s true.

Perhaps it can be interpreted that way (it isn’t to me, but we’re all different) but how does it support your happiness to take offence to it? Does it really matter?

it’s a health message about a serious condition. Good to bring awareness to it, even if not done perfectly.

EmmaEmerald · 13/03/2023 23:53

KimberleyClark · 13/03/2023 23:47

But my mother and grandmother are dead. And I don’t have any children or grandchildren to be impacted if I get osteoporosis. So it does feel as though my getting osteoporosis is somehow irrelevant.

I'd tell them that

I contacted the local Labour MP once after a bizarre mailshot that started "once upon a time, you knew what to expect from adulthood. You'd get married and have children".

Mamanyt · 13/03/2023 23:54

Again, they are trying to make it personal. Every one of us have/had a mother and grandmother. Those two relationships are a given. Sister, aunt, cousins...those are maybes. It does not, unless you choose to see it so, discount those who are not mothers and grandmothers.

AmyDudley · 13/03/2023 23:54

But my mother and grandmother are dead. And I don’t have any children or grandchildren to be impacted if I get osteoporosis. So it does feel as though my getting osteoporosis is somehow irrelevant.

No - you are in the group of women highlighted first in the article 'half of all women over fifty' You get top billing, mothers and grandmothers are a sub set of the wider group. Men sadly don't get a mention at all, but the article is about IWD.

EpicChaos · 13/03/2023 23:59

ChildminderMum · 13/03/2023 22:17

I agree it's weird phrasing. They are trying to make women seem valuable by describing them as mothers/grandmothers.

Maybe it's because they're going to be nearer the age for menopause than a new mum in their 20's or 30's.
As i understand it, there is a greater risk of developing osteoporosis after menopause, also a greater risk of breast cancer, the treatments for which can also increase the chances of developing osteoporosis.

There's also the point about the cost of adverts by word, or time if on tv, the longer the ad, the more it costs, they possibly don't want to spend extra seconds listing every possible family member, leaving no time to mention anything else in the advert.

ShrinkingItOut · 14/03/2023 00:00

It's just really badly written as a whole.

BTW...this: although everyone does have a mother Tense matters. DID have is not the same as DOES have.

KimberleyClark · 14/03/2023 00:03

AmyDudley · 13/03/2023 23:54

But my mother and grandmother are dead. And I don’t have any children or grandchildren to be impacted if I get osteoporosis. So it does feel as though my getting osteoporosis is somehow irrelevant.

No - you are in the group of women highlighted first in the article 'half of all women over fifty' You get top billing, mothers and grandmothers are a sub set of the wider group. Men sadly don't get a mention at all, but the article is about IWD.

It defines “half of all women” as “every other mother/grandmother” though.

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EmmaEmerald · 14/03/2023 00:04

AmyDudley · 13/03/2023 23:54

But my mother and grandmother are dead. And I don’t have any children or grandchildren to be impacted if I get osteoporosis. So it does feel as though my getting osteoporosis is somehow irrelevant.

No - you are in the group of women highlighted first in the article 'half of all women over fifty' You get top billing, mothers and grandmothers are a sub set of the wider group. Men sadly don't get a mention at all, but the article is about IWD.

But they literally equate that to being a mother

"Most are surprised to hear it affects a half of all women over 50. That’s every other mother. Every other grandmother."

Talipesmum · 14/03/2023 00:05

EmmaEmerald · 13/03/2023 23:40

But men just get to be men in health campaigns.

To be fair, there was a Fathers Day campaign about prostate cancer last year.

Anyway, thanks for posting, OP - I went and read the article and it’s a great reminder of something I rarely think about. It’s trying to raise awareness of bone health alongside more (now, finally) frequently talked about menopause and mental health. It’s worth a read.

EmmaEmerald · 14/03/2023 00:07

Also, they mention "stigma, isolation and awkwardness" around osteoporosis.

I know we all have to find an excuse for our pointless jobs but that is a hell of a stretch, who has that? I've just had a 50something contact diagnosed with osteoporosis and he just told me about it. Is there a stigma? My parents certainly didn't/don't think that.

7eleven · 14/03/2023 00:08

The vast majority of the article is focused on age. You have taken one tiny snippet that mentions mothers and grandmothers. The rest is about increasing age.

Nothing wrong with it, in my opinion.

StrawHatOnTheParcelShelf · 14/03/2023 00:09

I am not a grandmother, and do not have any living grandmothers.

Can confirm that I felt zero offence when reading that statement.

TwoHedgehogs · 14/03/2023 00:10

I mean I'm just glad they managed to use the word women and actually write mothers and grandmothers without some weird bullshit inclusive language.

Eyerollcentral · 14/03/2023 00:11

AmyDudley · 13/03/2023 23:44

It could easily have included any woman.

It does, it says it affects half of ALL women over 50 before there is any mention of mothers or grandmothers.

And then goes on to highlight only mothers as worth a special mention.

Alphabet1spaghetti2 · 14/03/2023 00:12

On another forum, a poster said it made them think it was a disease that only affected those who had become mothers/born children.

Perhaps it could have been written a better /clearer way.

7eleven · 14/03/2023 00:16

Alphabet1spaghetti2 · 14/03/2023 00:12

On another forum, a poster said it made them think it was a disease that only affected those who had become mothers/born children.

Perhaps it could have been written a better /clearer way.

Given that as well as 90% of the article based around increasing age, the fact that men are also mentioned, suggests that you’d have to be a bit daft to conclude that it only applies to mothers.

Eyerollcentral · 14/03/2023 00:18

7eleven · 13/03/2023 23:52

Sometimes I think it’s preferable to focus on what’s helpful rather than what’s true.

Perhaps it can be interpreted that way (it isn’t to me, but we’re all different) but how does it support your happiness to take offence to it? Does it really matter?

it’s a health message about a serious condition. Good to bring awareness to it, even if not done perfectly.

But it could be more helpful if you even included the word ‘aunt’, which would hardly have ruined the scheme. Who is taking offence? It’s excluding women who aren’t mothers. People still care about relatives who haven’t had children themselves. I find it incredible the women lining up to say yeah what’s wrong with valuing only mothers - as you say it’s a health message so your reproductive status is irrelevant, your sex and age is though. Do you think there are endless budgets to fund health campaigns?

Eyerollcentral · 14/03/2023 00:21

7eleven · 14/03/2023 00:16

Given that as well as 90% of the article based around increasing age, the fact that men are also mentioned, suggests that you’d have to be a bit daft to conclude that it only applies to mothers.

Loads of people are daft though.

7eleven · 14/03/2023 00:21

Eyerollcentral · 14/03/2023 00:18

But it could be more helpful if you even included the word ‘aunt’, which would hardly have ruined the scheme. Who is taking offence? It’s excluding women who aren’t mothers. People still care about relatives who haven’t had children themselves. I find it incredible the women lining up to say yeah what’s wrong with valuing only mothers - as you say it’s a health message so your reproductive status is irrelevant, your sex and age is though. Do you think there are endless budgets to fund health campaigns?

I don’t think it does only value mothers. The message that stands clearly out to me is about age.

We all see things things differently, of course.