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To think this will just increase pressure on the poorest/vulnerable?

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Zebedee55 · 13/03/2023 09:03

Sanctions increased, putting more (often unrealistic) pressure on parents, carers, and sick/disabled.🙁

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/universal-credit-sanctions-hunt-budget-b2298836.html

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MeMyCatsAndMyBooks · 13/03/2023 09:14

Of course it will, that's their plan. So many people have killed themselves over dwp sanctions & unfairness yet they continue. No better than a poor house.

Soilsister · 13/03/2023 09:20

I believe the aim of the benefits system is to "appear" to be helping without actually offering any help it's all smoke and mirrors and anything that prevents a pay out will be used. Honestly I think that a lot of people would prefer that the elderly, unwell, poor etc. would just give up and stop living. Everything I need to stay alive just went up by approximately 12% and I have a 2% pay rise to look forward to, I am unconvinced that making people (particularly vulnerable people) live without heat, power, food and clean water so they can have a roof over their heads and pay their council tax sends a clear message and increasing sanctions is just the governments way of speeding up the process.

Cadburysucks · 13/03/2023 09:29

Way to go conservatives, such progress. Not. Ever since they came into power they have contracted out the benefits system to foreign owned companies who reap the profits. As a parent of severely disabled adults I am constantly worried as well as doing a lot of care.

Moonicorn · 13/03/2023 09:30

We do need to get more people back into work. Not working and claiming UC ‘because I want to pick my kids up from school’ or because ‘I’m depressed’ shouldn’t be an option.

Moonicorn · 13/03/2023 09:32

However I am not in favour of cuts to disability benefits, however I think we need to be careful about what is considered a disability in terms of not being able to work.

Moonicorn · 13/03/2023 09:32

Said however twice 🥴

Goodread1 · 13/03/2023 09:40

I think people seem to think NHS and The benefits system runs on faieries sprite magic money 🌳 sustainable trees,

And I think some people think that NHS rainbow 🌈 symbol is a symbol of faeries sprite magic 🎩 🎩 🎩 🎩 🎩 🎩,

News flash 📸 it isn't like that in real grown up world,

I think NHS and The benefits system needs overhaul,

I know few people where I live,
A guy who have known for a long time, as a friend who would often use a walking stick,
A lot of time,
I was suprised a bit not to see him with one,
He just laughed in my face and
Said he was just pretend he had health issues,

I thought No wonder it was difficult for someone like myself who has Rumertoid Athritis severe, to go through PIP Application interview process, when there are individuals like thus about,

I have also come across a few work shy individuals too,

Cause of health reasons I had to give up work,
But I have in the past done some volunteering work with health issues,

I am looking to do some more volunteering a different type so I can hopefully just about manage to boost my self esteem ,

So I can down the line work again

Goodread1 · 13/03/2023 09:40

NHS and benefits system needs a massive overhaul

Zebedee55 · 13/03/2023 09:49

Anyone fit, healthy and with no other responsibilities, of course, should work.

But parents are struggling with unaffordable childcare fees, carers are saving the country a fortune by caring for their relatives.

Not all sick/disabled can work, although they say they are mainly targeting those with "bad backs" and mental health problems.

They are getting rid of the ESA Work capability tests, (which were an expensive, stressful farce), but who is going to assess whether someone can work? Job centre staff aren't medically qualified to judge. GPs don't want to be involved.🙄

They now won't confirm that "holiday payments" to feed children will continue past the end of this month.

I know we have a huge national debt, but expecting it to be paid off by dragging cash away from the poorest won't do it.🙁

All it will do is increase rent arrears and food bank use.

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purpleboy · 13/03/2023 09:51

The benefits system is not fit for purpose, it needs radical change, many (not all) people in this country really need to start taking responsibility for their life decisions rather than expecting the tax payer to pick up the bill.

Alittlemore · 13/03/2023 09:58

Unfortunately, like anything, some people do abuse the system with often weak excuses. Not saying that all do by any stretch of the imagination.

inininsomnia · 13/03/2023 10:02

Moonicorn · 13/03/2023 09:30

We do need to get more people back into work. Not working and claiming UC ‘because I want to pick my kids up from school’ or because ‘I’m depressed’ shouldn’t be an option.

Those are two very different things. I'm gonna guess that you've never experienced depression. I hope there's no-one in your life who has felt the effects of your lack of compassion.

Thatwastheweekthatwasnt · 13/03/2023 10:05

The government will also start paying childcare costs on universal credit up front, rather than in arrears, while the maximum amount people in receipt of benefits can claim for childcare will be increased by several hundred pounds.

this bit looks good though

Blossomtoes · 13/03/2023 10:05

To be honest - and this will probably astound people who are familiar with my political posts - I don’t see much wrong with it. More money for childcare to be paid upfront surely must be a good thing? I’m incensed by this government on a daily basis but I can’t see much here to be outraged by.

sqirrelfriends · 13/03/2023 10:06

The benefits system needs an overhaul and is unfair to many in its current format.

Problem is it costs money and most people don’t have the money to pay more in taxes to keep funding it at its current level. It’s shit but it is what it is.

Oldnproud · 13/03/2023 10:07

How about targetting the many employers who abuse the system by not paying living wages, who prefer to make the benefits system top up their employees' wages so that they (the employers) can make bigger profits?

Moonicorn · 13/03/2023 10:09

inininsomnia · 13/03/2023 10:02

Those are two very different things. I'm gonna guess that you've never experienced depression. I hope there's no-one in your life who has felt the effects of your lack of compassion.

Yes and I’ve also been a psychiatric inpatient. Embarrassing for you.

Goodread1 · 13/03/2023 10:12

@purpleboy

Totally agree 100 💯 👏 per cent with what you say,

There are obviously some people do abuse the benefits system ,

Also even working part-time or doing some volunteering can improve people's emotion health well being,

Personality I think there should be conditional attachments to being giving social security benefits and being out of work, if have no health issues especially or only minor health issues ,

Such as those types of claiments of benefits should be encouraged to look at how to overcome their barriers whatever it is, look at ways to improve their cofindence and also have opportunities to do short term volunteering experiences to improve cv and cofindence, people's skills in a team ect,

So ready for world of work

Eightiesgirl · 13/03/2023 10:16

I am a full time carer for my husband who has, amongst other mental health issues, psychosis. Jeremy hunt can send me to work by all means, it would actually be an escape for me, but he will have to provide some form of care for my husband whilst I'm not there and it will cost a heck of a lot more than the carers allowance pittance I recieve from the government.

Moonicorn · 13/03/2023 10:20

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talkingdeadscot · 13/03/2023 10:21

Goodread1 · 13/03/2023 09:40

NHS and benefits system needs a massive overhaul

Has everyone forgotten that Universal Credit and PIP are the benefits after the overhaul that was supposed to 'sort' everything out. This is the situation after the overhaul. Do we really need to overhaul the overhaul now?

Thatwastheweekthatwasnt · 13/03/2023 10:22

talkingdeadscot · 13/03/2023 10:21

Has everyone forgotten that Universal Credit and PIP are the benefits after the overhaul that was supposed to 'sort' everything out. This is the situation after the overhaul. Do we really need to overhaul the overhaul now?

It sounds like they are listening to the public and putting the system under review. I'm not sure how that is a bad thing.

Krustykrabpizza · 13/03/2023 10:24

Moonicorn · 13/03/2023 09:30

We do need to get more people back into work. Not working and claiming UC ‘because I want to pick my kids up from school’ or because ‘I’m depressed’ shouldn’t be an option.

Who is going to pick those kids up from school then?

Thatwastheweekthatwasnt · 13/03/2023 10:26

Krustykrabpizza · 13/03/2023 10:24

Who is going to pick those kids up from school then?

There needs to be a push for universal wrap round care provided by schools. Not necessarily staffed by teachers, but on site from say 730 and then afternoons until 5.30/6.

Moonicorn · 13/03/2023 10:27

Krustykrabpizza · 13/03/2023 10:24

Who is going to pick those kids up from school then?

Nobody. They can go to an after school club like all the other working parent’s kids do.