To wonder what part of this statement reminded Gary L of Nazi Germany?

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This is Suella Braverman's statement Gary Lineker was reacting to when he said "This is just an immeasurably cruel policy directed at the most vulnerable people in language that is not dissimilar to that used by Germany in the 30s" ... twitter.com/GaryLineker/status/1633094764865126400

If she was saying she wanted to stop immigration I could understand GL's reaction. But she's not. I don't understand why anyone would not want to "stop the boats" when 1. they're lethal and 2. they're being run by criminal gangs. If GL had made it clear he wanted to stop the boats but thought this policy was the wrong way to do it, then fine. But he didn't - he just made an extremely inflammatory statement. He might be getting lots of love from some quarters, but personally I think he's an egotist who is playing into the hands of the people smugglers.

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Here are some bits from the PM's speech. It's on the gov website.

Those illegally crossing the Channel are not directly fleeing a war-torn country… or persecution… or an imminent threat to life.

The reason that criminal gangs continue to bring small boats over here is because they know that our system can be exploited…
….that once here…illegal migrants can make a multitude of asylum, modern slavery and spurious human rights claims to frustrate their removal.
And the risk remains that those individuals just disappear into the black economy.
That is the reality we must deal with…
And with 100 million people displaced around the world…
….if we do not deal with it now, the situation will just get worse and worse.

That is why today we are introducing legislation to make clear that if you come here illegally you can’t claim asylum…
…you can’t benefit from our modern slavery protections…
….you can’t make spurious human rights claims
…and you can’t stay.

But the current situation is neither moral nor sustainable. It cannot go on.
It’s completely unfair on the British people…
….who have opened their homes to genuine refugees…
….but are now having to spend nearly £6 million a day to put up illegal migrants in hotels.
It’s unfair on the people who have come to this country legally to see others skipping the queue.
And it’s devastatingly unfair on those who most need our help but can’t get it as our asylum system is being overwhelmed by those travelling illegally across the Channel.

If you can't see the blame,the finger pointing, the othering... then I can't help you.

All those who agree with Gary obviously think the boats should keep coming, as that’s what Suella said, the boats need to stop, not immigration if done correctly.
and They do.

We simply cannot continue to support arrivals in this way. We are already creaking at best. And these people can find thousands of pounds to come here, so they can find their way here through proper channels. Let not forget most are economic migrants,

Could you perhaps provide a link to the figures that show that most people crossing the channel in small boats is refused right to remian in the UK as they would be if they were economic migrants.

If you have time in your endless search for that link, do take a watch of this video which explains the basics of the laws around seeking asylum.

twitter.com/crimlawuk/status/1634330359839031301

It didn’t start with gas chambers. That was the ‘final solution’. Before then it was an incremental creep of dehumanisation.

@Tinkerbyebye No, people don’t want the boats to keep coming, as it puts people’s life in danger. If you read the thread, you’ll notice that people who oppose this scheme and the government’s rhetoric, are calling for safe routes and resettlement schemes (which would not abandon women and children, as the government’s current policies do).

And there are very few proper channels, as Braverman herself was forced to admit. There’s a visa scheme for Ukraine and Hong Kong, a (failing) resettlement scheme for Afghanistan and that’s about it. This is a short but helpful watch, with Braverman forced to admit there are a lack of legal routes.

mobile.twitter.com/RefugeeAction/status/1595378987492151299?s=20&t=DykJliwlEQpEXyhqTaDlHQ

Those illegally crossing the Channel are not directly fleeing a war-torn country… or persecution… or an imminent threat to life

This and all the rest is factually correct

The statement repeatedly bangs on about the illegality of what is happening - but, when they are asylum seekers, Braverman knows full well that they are not acting illegally. She is obviously trying to prejudice people against refugees, just as the language used by the Nazis and their supporters was designed to prejudice people against Jews. She exacerbates that by talking about refugees claiming asylum as "gaming the system" rather than doing what they are 100% entitled to do - we know that around 70% of asylum claims are accepted as genuine. Finally, she is saying that, whereas some selective groups of immigrants will be accepted, others who don't tick the right box (but are likely to be accepted as genuine refugees) will get shipped off to a country with a known dodgy human rights record.

Finally, she makes it plain that the objective is to stop refugees coming here at all. Even though we already take a smaller precaution of refugees than other European countries.

Substitute references to Jews, and the Nazis would have been applauding.

If people are happy to demonise economic migrants, let’s remember that nurses and doctors leaving the nhs to work in Australia are economic migrants. EU nationals who come to the UK to work legally and earn more than they can in their home country are economic migrants.

Asylum seekers are banned from working, for the months or years it takes to get their claim processed. Not the cleverest plan for an economic migrant.

If you can't see that what he said was fully based in fact, you are definitely not in a position to call Lineker or indeed anyone else a daft twat. Try looking in the mirror if you want to know what one of those looks like.

There are Jewish people are distressed and offended by the way GL expressed his concerns and that is fair enough. I have no right to tell those people they should not be offended or distressed.

But do you not think he was right about the use of language and the importance of being careful how the refugees are referred to?

I am begining to wonder what you get out of repeating the same mistruths.
Do you work for the Labour party and so are working to prove the point that Lineker made?

In case that is not the case please let me explain once again to you.

Asylum seekers have an absolute right to claim asylum in any safe country they choose and to travel to that country with or without documents in any manner they choose.

Please watch this video, it will help you explain the law around this.

twitter.com/crimlawuk/status/1634330359839031301

What is it with some posters on here determined to prove Lineker's point?

Sorry you've missed the memo, he was not referring to the Holocaust. No it was just the terminology used before that and any connection towards the atrocities that occurred later was purely coincidental and not Gary's intention at all. Apparently.

Clearly that is untrue, given that around 70% of asylum claims are accepted. The fact that they have come through countries like France is utterly irrelevant to that assessment.

Presumably when Sunak was working in the US he was an economic migrant. Don't forget that the posters who don't like economic migrants are demonising him as well.

We want to stop the boats

And we will not provide unlimited entry

Seem problematic to me. One of those has to change for it to work

@jgw1 The refusal of some people to educate themselves about asylum law (even when you’re putting the link right there for them) is astounding.

It's the language being used.

Yes, they do come from other countries.

Words like swarm, invasion, illegal are used
Associating certain behaviours with the people who come over in boats.
Certain media outlets are very happy to highlight when they break the law in the most horrendous way but don't highlight positive things very much - all to create an impression in people's minds.

We have seen the images used before in the media and in political adverts

Repeated use of "the people, the British people" - as if we are all of one mind

Use by the media of phrases like "Enemies of the people"

This is how you divide people, create enemies and create other.

It's very effective.

If people pay attention to the rhetoric being used - and not just in that speech but in other speeches, interviews, videos etc, you will hear this language and this approach being taken.

From someone who has been described as a "left wing ,Remainiac, woke snowflake"

Literally none of this is true.

why don’t you do some research and actually fact check your own statements with data and evidence @Tinkerbyebye ?

it might be useful if you are genuinely interested in understanding the reality of this legislation.

They say ignorance is bliss.

If people are happy to demonise economic migrants, let’s remember that nurses and doctors leaving the nhs to work in Australia are economic migrants. EU nationals who come to the UK to work legally and earn more than they can in their home country are economic migrants

Yes. Entering in Australia and the EU legally

Can you provide evidence of these legal routes, please? (I’m assuming you have evidence as you keep asserting this, apologies if I’m wrong.)

And can you tag Braverman in please too, as she doesn’t seem aware of these legal routes either.

mobile.twitter.com/RefugeeAction/status/1595378987492151299?s=20&t=DykJliwlEQpEXyhqTaDlHQ

@MrsandProud Have I understood correctly that you are comfortable with migrants entering countries legally?

No. His statement is true.

Also, the UK is free to determine how many asylum seekers we will be letting in based on our own criteria which needs to bee sustainable. If it's zero, one or 10.000, it's up to us. The fact that others take a larger number is irrelevant

The conversation isn’t about economic migrants though

ITs about people crossing the channel in small boats - usually refugees, asylum-seekers or victims of human trafficking.

And seeking asylum in the UK is also LEGAL.