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To applaud Gary Lineker, Alan Shearer and Ian Wright, and think Suella Braverman is looking like a fool for not even understanding the comment

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Nimbostratus100 · 10/03/2023 19:44

Lineker called the immigration policy cruel, and compared the language and attitude of the government to 1930s Germany.

I hundred percent agree with him

Braverman started denying that anything that is happening in UK is comparable to the holocaust

She is spectacularly missing the point. The holocaust didn't happen in the 1930s

What happened in the 1930s was the slow and steady build up of racism and aggression and hate, that resulted in the holocaust in the 1940s

And the noises coming out of the government are very much like 1930s nazis

For those of you that don't have any interest in Match of the Day, Gary Lineker, the main presenter, has been suspended, in spite of being a sports commentator, and NOT a news reader or involved in current affairs programming, and NOT bound by the impartiality clause, and his two top fellow presenters have refused to appear without him

So either the BBC bosses (tory appointees) have scored a spectacular own goal,(unintended pun) in trying to supress Lineker's opinions, and turning them into world wide headlines,

OR!

Maybe they are secretly working against the government by choosing a course of action that will actually make the tories look like complete fools, while pretending to support them!

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milkyaqua · 11/03/2023 07:21

Those mean snowmen.

Ttwinkletoes · 11/03/2023 07:21

Brexit voters need to accept that they bear a good deal of the blame for what's happening, and suck it up.

Tony Blair’s Government decided to allow free movement of East Europeans into the U.K. from 2003 - no other (of our apperantly welcoming) Western European governments allowed this - they restricted numbers.
we then had the problems of over demand for housing, education and hospitals in the south east .etc which is still being added to by immigrants.
The numbers have been impossible to stem and because of this we got Brexit.

I doubt Gary Lineker, his family or any of his cohorts are scraping by paying extortionate rents or saving for half a lifetime to put a deposit on a tiny house - quite the opposite. Sheer arrogance imv.

jgw1 · 11/03/2023 07:23

IClaudine · 11/03/2023 07:20

Those penguins have always been selfish fuckers.

Have you seen how they all dress in the same uniform, sinister.

SweetcornFritter · 11/03/2023 07:24

Shulk · 10/03/2023 23:15

There are very few people advocating for open borders, or saying that every person presenting as an asylum seeker should be automatically granted asylum. That is a plain and obvious straw man.

Many people want a safe, legal route for asylum seekers, and a system that allows their applications to be processed in a fair and lawful manner, without demonizing them as part of some sort of invading army.

But have fun arguing with staw-men.

It seems to me that any government runs the risk of being labelled Nazis when they attempt to detain and deport illegal immigrants in their thousands which is what this government is attempting to do. That’s not a strawman, it’s the elephant in the room.

jgw1 · 11/03/2023 07:25

Ttwinkletoes · 11/03/2023 07:21

Brexit voters need to accept that they bear a good deal of the blame for what's happening, and suck it up.

Tony Blair’s Government decided to allow free movement of East Europeans into the U.K. from 2003 - no other (of our apperantly welcoming) Western European governments allowed this - they restricted numbers.
we then had the problems of over demand for housing, education and hospitals in the south east .etc which is still being added to by immigrants.
The numbers have been impossible to stem and because of this we got Brexit.

I doubt Gary Lineker, his family or any of his cohorts are scraping by paying extortionate rents or saving for half a lifetime to put a deposit on a tiny house - quite the opposite. Sheer arrogance imv.

I don't have the figures for 2003 to hand, but currently there are 1/4 million empty homes in the uK and 3/4 a million 2nd homes.

There isn't a housing crisis currently. There is a housing distribution crisis, but the likes of Rishi "9 homes" Sunak would rather you didn't think about that, but instead got worked up about 10,000s of migrants.

IClaudine · 11/03/2023 07:25

Ah @Ttwinkletoes is showing their true face. All the UK's ills are due to immigration.

PortiasBiscuit · 11/03/2023 07:26

So what do we do we do about those people drowning in those boats?

MarshaBradyo · 11/03/2023 07:27

There are very few people advocating for open borders, or saying that every person presenting as an asylum seeker should be automatically granted asylum. That is a plain and obvious straw man.

Many people want a safe, legal route for asylum seekers, and a system that allows their applications to be processed in a fair and lawful manner, without demonizing them as part of some sort of invading army.

Can you say what happens when a smuggler organises a boat that arrives outside the safe routes?

jgw1 · 11/03/2023 07:27

SweetcornFritter · 11/03/2023 07:24

It seems to me that any government runs the risk of being labelled Nazis when they attempt to detain and deport illegal immigrants in their thousands which is what this government is attempting to do. That’s not a strawman, it’s the elephant in the room.

Are the government only tryng to deport illegal immigrants?
That would be the sort of people who come here on a tourist visa or overstay a work visa and not the people crossing the Channel to seek asylum.
I feel sure the government has been going on about the perfectly legal asylum seekers, but I may of course be mistaken. Do feel free to share a link to a government minister talking about illegal immigrants as opposed to legal asylum seekers.

jgw1 · 11/03/2023 07:28

IClaudine · 11/03/2023 07:25

Ah @Ttwinkletoes is showing their true face. All the UK's ills are due to immigration.

I read it in the newspaper so it must be true. (Don't mention that its the same newspaper that would praise Mosley's black shirts back in the day).

jgw1 · 11/03/2023 07:29

MarshaBradyo · 11/03/2023 07:27

There are very few people advocating for open borders, or saying that every person presenting as an asylum seeker should be automatically granted asylum. That is a plain and obvious straw man.

Many people want a safe, legal route for asylum seekers, and a system that allows their applications to be processed in a fair and lawful manner, without demonizing them as part of some sort of invading army.

Can you say what happens when a smuggler organises a boat that arrives outside the safe routes?

The government puts them up in hotels at great expense because they have repeatedly failed to invest in an efficient asylum and immigration system, surely you know that already?

IClaudine · 11/03/2023 07:30

PortiasBiscuit · 11/03/2023 07:26

So what do we do we do about those people drowning in those boats?

Could we maybe look at providing safe routes for people to claim asylum. It obviously can be done. We had more applications for asylum in 2002 than we do now. Those people were not coming over in boats and drowning.

GobbieMaggie · 11/03/2023 07:30

Well done the BBC , hopefully they make it permanent.

IClaudine · 11/03/2023 07:32

GobbieMaggie · 11/03/2023 07:30

Well done the BBC , hopefully they make it permanent.

Yes, well done BBC for completely wrecking one of its flagship programmes. Great use of public money.

itsgettingweird · 11/03/2023 07:32

IClaudine · 11/03/2023 07:12

Some useful stats

According to UNHCR statistics, as of November 2022 there were 231,597 refugees, 127,421 pending asylum cases and 5,483 stateless persons in the UK including recent Ukrainians refugees.

That’s only half a per cent (0.54%) of the UK’s total population.

In the year ending September 2021, Germany received the highest number of asylum applicants (127,730) in the EU+, followed by France (96,510) .

I can't find a 2021 figure for UK, but in 2022 there were 74,751 applications. Which is still lower than the peak back in 2002.

(The number of asylum applications to the UK peaked in 2002 at 84,132. After that the number fell sharply to reach a twenty-year low of 17,916 in 2010, before rising slowly to reach 32,733 in 2015.

The number fell, then rose again and then dipped during the first year of the pandemic (2020). In 2022, it rose to 74,751 applications, the highest level since 2002.)

www.refugee-action.org.uk/about/facts-about-refugees/

Thanks for this.

Interesting data but the thing that stood out for me is the dates/ years of the information.

It was at its lowest when the Tory's took power. It pretty much doubled during their first 5 years in power. Now they have a huge issue following further decisions they made.

So brexit was based on them losing control of our borders and the language they use is just abhorrent.

MarshaBradyo · 11/03/2023 07:33

So safe routes plus the boats arriving.

Two ways to get here

Or laws might have to change to stop the latter and just have one.

Tryandlivemylifeandthensee · 11/03/2023 07:34

jgw1 · 11/03/2023 06:50

I thought Rishi Sunak was most in favour of raising taxes, while else as Chancellor and PM has he overseen the highest teaxes in the UK?
Did but Jeremy make hime do it?

I serrender
You ve outed me
I am Rishi Sunak 🤣🤣🤣

itsgettingweird · 11/03/2023 07:34

Those penguins have always been selfish fuckers.

🤣🤣

Tryandlivemylifeandthensee · 11/03/2023 07:34

Tryandlivemylifeandthensee · 11/03/2023 07:34

I serrender
You ve outed me
I am Rishi Sunak 🤣🤣🤣

Ps. Sungai never was good at spelling.

SweetcornFritter · 11/03/2023 07:35

jgw1 · 11/03/2023 07:27

Are the government only tryng to deport illegal immigrants?
That would be the sort of people who come here on a tourist visa or overstay a work visa and not the people crossing the Channel to seek asylum.
I feel sure the government has been going on about the perfectly legal asylum seekers, but I may of course be mistaken. Do feel free to share a link to a government minister talking about illegal immigrants as opposed to legal asylum seekers.

Part of the problem is down to deciding exactly who constitutes an illegal immigrant and who constitutes a genuine asylum seeker. I’m not aware of any government attempts to deport Ukranians, Afghanis or People from HK back to their own countries, but if you have that info feel free to share it. Net migration is at its highest ever at 500k last year so how does that fit in with our govt behaving like Nazis exactly? In prewar Germany the Nazis persecuted their own citizens, turned them out of their homes, stole their possessions and forced them into ghettos and to wear yellow stars, as well as randomly shooting and beating any troublemakers. Do people in this country such as GL genuinely believe that Suella Braverman et al are working towards this happening here?

LakieLady · 11/03/2023 07:37

Saschka · 11/03/2023 01:41

Yep, can’t imagine why anyone thinks this guy is either an incel or a racist. Total mystery 🤷‍♀️

Probably both. After all, the two groups aren't mutually exclusive.

Actually, I'd like to see a Venn diagram for them, too.

itsgettingweird · 11/03/2023 07:38

MarshaBradyo · 11/03/2023 07:27

There are very few people advocating for open borders, or saying that every person presenting as an asylum seeker should be automatically granted asylum. That is a plain and obvious straw man.

Many people want a safe, legal route for asylum seekers, and a system that allows their applications to be processed in a fair and lawful manner, without demonizing them as part of some sort of invading army.

Can you say what happens when a smuggler organises a boat that arrives outside the safe routes?

From what I gather people are saying that if legal routes existed - and you could charge or demand a minimum income which counteracts them spending it on boats - then people wouldn't need the small boats.

And it would be easier to deal with those running the smuggling and easier to process and you could then have a better system of deciding what to do with those who arrive on them.

What we can't deal with is 45,000 arriving by small boats a year. No one disputes that. But all those arriving are being placed in hotels etc which wouldn't happen if there were safe legal routes and they arrived and rented accommodation, took jobs etc.

IClaudine · 11/03/2023 07:42

Asylum seekers are not allowed to work until their application is decided and that process is in chaos right now, with massive backlogs. So that makes it difficult for them to find rental properties etc.

Rosscameasdoody · 11/03/2023 07:43

Lovemelovemydoggie · 10/03/2023 21:13

People are risking their lives in small boats to get to the UK… from France. France, where refugees can claim asylum and be safe.

No one in France NEEDS to risk their lives and those of their DC in a small boat.

There needs to be a robust asylum policy in the UK to stop people putting their lives at risk.

As for the millionaire Lineker, and all the posters saying they are happy for their taxes to fund migrants, I assume they are insulated from the reality for many of living in the UK. People already in this country can’t get access to health care, dental care, education, can’t afford housing, heating and food.

Your taxes already aren’t covering the basics.

This.

Littlefaeries · 11/03/2023 07:45

Rosscameasdoody · 10/03/2023 20:47

I 100% agree with this. Do any of you agreeing with Lineker actually know what went on in Nazi Germany in the 1930’s and how many brave men gave their lives in WW11 to preserve our way of life and defeat Hitler ? If so, you should be ashamed of yourselves for even associating yourselves with what Lineker said. He’s a sports commentator, not a politician and he’s paid so much and is so out of touch with how originally people live, I’m surprised he hasn’t been jumped on by MN, who are normally intolerant of this type of hypocrisy. Shame on you.

I know.
My uncle had to fight in Italy and Greece and only survived a land mine because he got thrown off the truck it hit .

Im a 100% supportive of Gary Lineker and would suggest that it’s you that doesn’t understand 1930’s Nazi Germany. German citizens were fooled by Germany’s stealthy build up of prejudice and anti semitism. As we’re the rest of the world.

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