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AIBU?

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Disastrous holiday let - AIBU?

165 replies

ivygem · 09/03/2023 18:23

Sorry this is long! Just don’t want to drip feed later on. Basically I’m trying to get some perspective please after a disastrous weekend away for a big birthday (mums not mine).

Myself, DH and DD stayed in a fairly large holiday let at the weekend with around 6 other family members including my sister and her new baby. It was a oldish farmhouse that had gone through some redesign etc. over the years in a semi remote farm location. The place was booked by my sister but paid in full by my mum at her request.

My DH and DD left on Sunday due to school and work commitments and I stayed on. Her room was next to ours and I stripped the bed and tidied it out after she left at around 6pm.

On our final night, on my mums actual birthday, I awoke to a loud noise next door (in my DD’s ex room) that sounded like someone was using the shower at around 2am. After some blearly eyed tossing and turning thinking I was delirious I finally investigated and discovered a huge flood in the room coming from the en suite and I immediately ran off to get help. As I went to wake others I discovered a similar noise downstairs - and unsurprisingly found water pouring from the kitchen ceiling. It was actually a shocking amount of damage in a short time with the floor of the large kitchen swimming in about an inch of water. I immediately tried phoning the number left in the ‘house manual’ left by the owners - it was out of date and not in use. My sister then had to search her phone for the number in the booking. Luckily someone answered and they informed us someone would be with us fairly quickly. While we were waiting the electricity tripped and needless to say we were all terrified. My sister packed up her room in case we had to leave (she had the new baby) and we all followed suit. After waiting a while for everything to be brought to some sort of order (the person that was sent spent some time drying out the kitchen with blankets and towels) we were told ‘it was fine’ and we could stay. At this point it was nearly 4am and we were exhausted so we agreed to get some rest and all went to sleep fully clothed, all half terrified that we would need to leave. We awoke early the next morning ans found the electrics downstairs still off and the central heating off. We also found several items that had been damaged including some baby items that upset my sister (think sentimental value not monetary). It was a pretty grim scene. We packed up fairly quickly, with my mum hanging about to speak to someone. No one came or called so she left eventually. We have since contacted the owners to discuss what happened and to talk about what compensation we should expect. We heard nothing so contacted the booking company directly and unsurprisingly my sister received an odd phone call from the owner later the next evening - where they outlined personal mental health issues(?) and suggested we could book in the future at another of their 12 properties for a reduced fee…

Here’s the issue. Myself and others, my mum included, feel given the nature of what happened my mum should pursue a full refund for our whole stay. Other family members feel that’s too much and perhaps she should go after a partial refund, move on ans organise something else at a later date.

A part of me wants to forget the whole ordeal but it was pretty traumatic and I feel like my mum deserves a proper birthday.

AIBU?

YABU - forget it - persuade mum to move on and take a partial refund/ what’s offered. It’s a small business/act of god, these things happen.
YANBU - this is mental - full refund.

Thanks for sticking with it!

OP posts:
EmmaDilemma5 · 09/03/2023 19:06

YABVU to expect compensation; what a strange response to a very difficult and costly problem for someone else.

Have some compassion. You enjoyed the vast majority of your stay. Be thankful it wasn't a flood in your own home and move on.

HolidayLetter · 09/03/2023 19:06

I would offer a partial refund, a massive apology for something that couldn't have been foreseen, and a 'goodwill gesture' of a reduced-price stay in future. However, it is remiss of the owner not to provide up to date contact info, and if it had been my property, I would have been there at 4AM rather going via an agent (I would regard that as part of my job). I'd also think that "terrified" was OTT and I'd be pissed off about having to be nice about it, though I'd be nice about it all the same.

FortofPud · 09/03/2023 19:06

I can definitely see why a sudden flood in the middle of the night in a holiday let (that at this point you're worried is your fault) would be stressful, especially when it's pitch black because the electricity has gone out and you're having to figure what to do in a half asleep state. I wouldn't say you are making a fuss at all!

I would want a refund for that night onwards but not for before. To be honest I'd be relieved the owner wasn't trying to pin the blame on me, I think that would be the focus of my panic.

Sorry it was a crap holiday, but personally I'd focus on the 'thank goodness it wasn't worse' angle.

cardibach · 09/03/2023 19:06

Guis23 · 09/03/2023 19:01

Some harsh comments on here. I wouldn't want to wake up in water and with no electrics on a weekend away.

Whatever caused what sounds like a pipe bursting we do not know.

I would not be tempted to stay at another of the owners properties after that experience.

Did your mum take out holiday insurance ?

They didn’t ‘wake up in water’ though.
land in what way is a pipe burst/accidental leak the fault of the owner so that you would never want to have anyth8 g further to do with them?

Motorcycleemptyness · 09/03/2023 19:06

Prime candidate for piss taking on the mumsnet madness page, this one.

Mañanarama · 09/03/2023 19:07

You were woken at 2am, went back to bed at 4am, and the next morning found some stuff had got wet. And you want a full refund?

How many days/nights were you all there having a lovely time before this terrifying experience happened?

Motorcycleemptyness · 09/03/2023 19:08

Also you might want to look up ‘disaster’ and ‘terrified’ in the dictionary, OP. You’re using them wrong and they make you look like a grabby bastard.

tothelefttotheleft · 09/03/2023 19:10

ivygem · 09/03/2023 18:49

See this is why I knew I shouldn’t have bothered putting this on here. Thanks everyone. I’ll delete this now and wobble my head as instructed.

People love a pile on.

I can imagine how scary it was.

juliettesmother · 09/03/2023 19:10

FortofPud · 09/03/2023 19:06

I can definitely see why a sudden flood in the middle of the night in a holiday let (that at this point you're worried is your fault) would be stressful, especially when it's pitch black because the electricity has gone out and you're having to figure what to do in a half asleep state. I wouldn't say you are making a fuss at all!

I would want a refund for that night onwards but not for before. To be honest I'd be relieved the owner wasn't trying to pin the blame on me, I think that would be the focus of my panic.

Sorry it was a crap holiday, but personally I'd focus on the 'thank goodness it wasn't worse' angle.

This

Guis23 · 09/03/2023 19:11

cardibach · 09/03/2023 19:06

They didn’t ‘wake up in water’ though.
land in what way is a pipe burst/accidental leak the fault of the owner so that you would never want to have anyth8 g further to do with them?

Okay. Went down to find water coming through the ceiling and all over the kitchen floor.

I don't know the details or whether it was a burst pipe.
But I wouldn't stay at any of their properties no. It would just put me off.

BrutusMcDogface · 09/03/2023 19:11

I opened the thread imagining illness and accidents and stuff. I’m sorry you experienced this but yabu to want a full refund. I agree that you should be more compassionate towards the owner. I do hope they’ve updated the contact details, though.

Feelinglikeihadaboringnight · 09/03/2023 19:12

I would expect any personal items that are damaged should be covered in the owners insurance, but you need to check the contract.

You mentioned the electrics went out, did a qualified electrician visit before you were told it was ok to stay. I think not from what you’ve said. In which case you should not have been told to stay as that’s a dangerous situation.

I would mention this to the owners and request at the very least a refund for on3 day and one night. A refund for the day as you got no sleep.

NannyGythaOgg · 09/03/2023 19:12

I would expect a 50% reduction if it was a 3 night stay or 2 nights reduction if it was any longer.

Twillow · 09/03/2023 19:14

YABU as the incident occured on your final night - partial refund is perfectly acceptable.

JudgeRudy · 09/03/2023 19:14

EmmaDilemma5 · 09/03/2023 19:06

YABVU to expect compensation; what a strange response to a very difficult and costly problem for someone else.

Have some compassion. You enjoyed the vast majority of your stay. Be thankful it wasn't a flood in your own home and move on.

What? This isn't a mate who's let her stay for nothing. This is a business transaction. She didn't recieve the service she paid for. She IS entitled to a refund at least for what she didn't get and maybe rounded up as goodwill. She didn't get a full night's sleep on the last night and they had no heating or proper lighting even when they left. They did however have a few days of fair use and presumably a nice birthday celebration.

Favouritefruits · 09/03/2023 19:14

A partial refund is fair, you enjoyed your stay until the flood happened so why would you want a full refund. I’d divide the total cost by how many nights you had ‘ruined’ then ask for that amount. That seems fair.

MarchingBand · 09/03/2023 19:17

Whilst it was an unfortunate way to end your holiday I can't see how it justifies getting a refund for the whole stay, just the night in question would seem reasonable with damaged property covered by insurance. How did it ruin your mum's birthday? Presumably you had celebrated during the day and the night prior going to bed before the leak. And yes, I do think you're being a tad dramatic!

WombatChocolate · 09/03/2023 19:20

I don’t think it’s been made clear why the flood happened. Where was the water coming from?

I do wonder if the guests were the cause of it but don’t want to accept their role in it or see this as an opportunity to get a big refund.

Disasters and break-downs do sometimes happen in properties. It was annoying and inconvenient but no more than that really. The good thing was your holiday was almost over. If it really was nothing to do with the guests, you might be able to get a refund for the last night. But not more than that really. I’d check the terms and conditions because often they state their level of responsibility for things like this….and it tends to remain pretty low.

Don’t look to hype up the experience or make it sound like it ruined your whole holiday in order to get a full refund. You had 6 days of a fully functioning property. If this had happened on the first night and then you’d been left there with the ceiling fallen down, it would be a different matter.

It will be the guests booked for the next week who will be getting a refund, as they will be unable to stay there. Compensation never extends beyond what you’ve paid normally, but then you’ve got the cash but can’t always find another place to stay.

viques · 09/03/2023 19:22

JudgeRudy · 09/03/2023 19:06

Hi value to her. Could be a favorite book, a photo, a musical Teddy, a mobile....essentially anything that's not designed to get wet.

Why would you take a photo or a mobile to a holiday let for the weekend?

Vloader23 · 09/03/2023 19:23

What a bizarre post.

Why were you 'terrified' by a household flood?! Over reacting much!?

You are being a massive CF expecting a refund for the whole stay. It was your last night so a small token would be fair enough.

BellaJuno · 09/03/2023 19:24

I’d definitely ask for a partial refund for the last night but it’s really cheeky to ask for a full refund if you were content with the place before the flooding.

Mortimercat · 09/03/2023 19:24

ivygem · 09/03/2023 18:35

I think it’s pretty scary to be in an unknown property in the middle of the night which had a major flood! Especially as the electric downstairs had already tripped.

We couldn’t locate the stop cock despite looking in the dark and the person sent to help couldn’t either, they managed to stop the water at its source under the en-suite sink.

Err no. Inconvenient and not nice, but you are being very bizarre with your talk of being terrified and it being scary.

dizzydizzydizzy · 09/03/2023 19:26

We had a flood once in the middle of the night. It involved gallons of water pouring through DD's ceiling. I was terrified too. I think it was because I was woken up by the noise while in a deep sleep and was very disoriented and confused.

The owner should at the absolute minimum refund for time from the flood onwards.

Mañanarama · 09/03/2023 19:26

NannyGythaOgg · 09/03/2023 19:12

I would expect a 50% reduction if it was a 3 night stay or 2 nights reduction if it was any longer.

Why two nights? They were only inconvenienced for one night (and it was the middle of the night so not like any celebrations had to be cancelled)

pattihews · 09/03/2023 19:27

A major flood cleared up in an hour or two by a person arriving with towels to mop it up. A major flood would have had water running out of the back door like a river.

You're being overdramatic, OP. The optics aren't good. It must have been inconvenient and worrying at the time and of course it's irritating, but it wasn't a major disaster.

Your sister booked the place so she'll be the one dealing with it. Stand down.