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School celebrated a Muslim LGBT activist on International Women’s day!

423 replies

Threemangoes · 09/03/2023 00:06

AIBU to be annoyed at the school? I’m baffled as why have the school missed an opportunity here. They already celebrate lgbt history month and then pride in June at school.

Why is this issue that affects a very tiny minority is so heavily influenced in children’s curriculum?

OP posts:
Inkpotlover · 09/03/2023 12:39

Threemangoes · 09/03/2023 12:31

Because lesbian Muslims are not in a crisis!
Jesus!
Lesbian Muslims already get to celebrate themselves in schools for 2 whole months.
I'll tell you who is in a crisis.. Your average Muslim girl and her basic rights to education and safeguarding.

Stunts like these made by school will jepordise the future and safety of women of Afghanistan and rest of the world including Britain.

IWD does indeed focus on women in crisis and how they can be helped, but it's as much about celebrating women who have escaped those kinds of situations. Coming out as a Muslim woman would've been terrifying given community attitudes.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 09/03/2023 12:39

School celebrates a woman on IWD - can’t see a problem at all.

Inkpotlover · 09/03/2023 12:41

Threemangoes · 09/03/2023 12:31

Because lesbian Muslims are not in a crisis!
Jesus!
Lesbian Muslims already get to celebrate themselves in schools for 2 whole months.
I'll tell you who is in a crisis.. Your average Muslim girl and her basic rights to education and safeguarding.

Stunts like these made by school will jepordise the future and safety of women of Afghanistan and rest of the world including Britain.

TWO WHOLE MONTHS?! Lucky them! Oh wow, they should count themselves SO lucky they only count for two months of the year. 🙄

CremeEggQueen · 09/03/2023 12:41

Stunts like these made by school will jepordise the future and safety of women of Afghanistan and rest of the world including Britain.
How on earth will it do that? Can you explain a bit more there please?

RosaBonheur · 09/03/2023 12:43

Threemangoes · 09/03/2023 12:31

Because lesbian Muslims are not in a crisis!
Jesus!
Lesbian Muslims already get to celebrate themselves in schools for 2 whole months.
I'll tell you who is in a crisis.. Your average Muslim girl and her basic rights to education and safeguarding.

Stunts like these made by school will jepordise the future and safety of women of Afghanistan and rest of the world including Britain.

You what?

20 years ago this year a 17 year old Muslim girl was murdered by her parents in front of her younger siblings, essentially because she wanted to wear jeans and T-shirts, hang out with her friends and not be forced into marriage with some older cousin of hers in Pakistan.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Shafilea_Ahmed

How do you think her family would have reacted if she'd said, "oh by the way, I'm a lesbian"?

And that was in the UK.

Many Muslim lesbians come from countries where being a lesbian is actually illegal and punishable by death.

That said, I am pretty sure that the Iranian government aren't keeping tabs on who is speaking at your son's school for International Women's Day and taking it out on young Iranian lesbians even more than they already do.

supravit · 09/03/2023 12:44

Threemangoes · 09/03/2023 12:21

Well schools are doing quite enough for lgbt community. Which is great.

Why jeapordise Muslim girls' future around the world by sticking to the same agenda even on IWD.

But if schools are already talking about LGBT topics, and homophobic Muslims will pull their girls out of school if they hear about lesbians, why haven't they already?

Forgooodnesssakenow · 09/03/2023 12:45

Threemangoes · 09/03/2023 00:42

No I'm not an idiot.
I'm not white.
I'm not a Christian.
Just annoyed because of how much Lgbt topic/issues are given so much space in the primary school curriculum when it only affects a tiny minority.

You think only a tiny minority are LGBTQ+?

AnorLondo · 09/03/2023 12:46

Threemangoes · 09/03/2023 12:31

Because lesbian Muslims are not in a crisis!
Jesus!
Lesbian Muslims already get to celebrate themselves in schools for 2 whole months.
I'll tell you who is in a crisis.. Your average Muslim girl and her basic rights to education and safeguarding.

Stunts like these made by school will jepordise the future and safety of women of Afghanistan and rest of the world including Britain.

Unless your average Muslim girl is also a lesbian, in which case she's fine. 🙄

ChunkaMunkaBoomBoom · 09/03/2023 12:47

‘No I'm not an idiot’

if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck…

Threemangoes · 09/03/2023 12:48

SarahAndQuack · 09/03/2023 12:33

Huh?

You think being a lesbian protects Muslim women from the dangers straight Muslim women face? Really?

Rather than empowering muslim girls on other issues school has yet again used this day for lgbt issue.
Nadia hussein- a Bangladeshi Muslim TV personality with mental health issues.

Poetic pilgrimage-muslim hijabi faces of hip hop.

Aina Khan OBE- muslim women's rights campaigner "Register our marriage".

Fatima Al-Fihri -
Originally from Kairouan (Tunisia), Fatima is an inspiration to women and educators alike. Why? Well, she founded the first and oldest-surviving madrasah and university in the world!

Fahma Muhammad-
Born in the Netherlands, Fahma is most-well known for leading a popular campaign against FGM. Whilst volunteering for anti-FGM charity Integrate in Bristol back in 2011, she was shocked by the horrors of this violent practice.

Just a few examples.

OP posts:
Simonjt · 09/03/2023 12:51

Threemangoes · 09/03/2023 12:18

Yes
Son told me first Muslim lesbian to lead pride in britain. That was the focus.

If its Saima she is fantastic

CremeEggQueen · 09/03/2023 12:53

Threemangoes · 09/03/2023 12:48

Rather than empowering muslim girls on other issues school has yet again used this day for lgbt issue.
Nadia hussein- a Bangladeshi Muslim TV personality with mental health issues.

Poetic pilgrimage-muslim hijabi faces of hip hop.

Aina Khan OBE- muslim women's rights campaigner "Register our marriage".

Fatima Al-Fihri -
Originally from Kairouan (Tunisia), Fatima is an inspiration to women and educators alike. Why? Well, she founded the first and oldest-surviving madrasah and university in the world!

Fahma Muhammad-
Born in the Netherlands, Fahma is most-well known for leading a popular campaign against FGM. Whilst volunteering for anti-FGM charity Integrate in Bristol back in 2011, she was shocked by the horrors of this violent practice.

Just a few examples.

So why not suggest one of those women for next year then?!
They might be open for suggestions.
Raise awareness of them, they might not know.
Plus they're not mind readers, and they can't please everyone.
Just maybe leave out the LGBT people have their own month already so we don't need to hear from them anymore as we hear enough from them.already " angle 😳😁

DarkHorizon · 09/03/2023 12:54

Threemangoes · 09/03/2023 10:08

Thanks, people are choosing to read my post through a lens that suits their views so they can instantly feel better about themselves by labelling me as a homophobe and racist.

They focused on her activism for lesbian sexuality and religion. When they have just celebrated a whole month on lgbt history.

It's a primary school. Our children deserve to know other real issues that women face as well.

I agree. I don't care about being called a bigot anymore. The words are tired, overused and meaningless and the people who throw those words around frequently tend to have a reputation of dishonesty. Everyone quietly knows that they are liers as they can only make their point by intentionally misinterpreting what people say.

That's why being woke is losing its appeal.

Just like all the people on this thread calling OP homophobic, racist and a bigot are not actually listening to what OP is saying they are deciding for her what she is saying even though deep down they know it's not true. They either do this to stir the pot because they like to watch the world burn or they are extremely brainwashed.

If you can only make your point by misrepresentation (whether that is through omitting, misquoting or removing the true context of the statement by wilfully exploiting the pitfalls of the English language) then whatever you stand for is built on lies.

Look around you. People are getting tired of this behaviour online. It's being pointed out more and more by comedians, political scientists and politicians everywhere.

It's time to put on your big girl panties and have honest grown up conversations or leave the chat.

Dreamstate · 09/03/2023 12:57

DarkHorizon · 09/03/2023 12:54

I agree. I don't care about being called a bigot anymore. The words are tired, overused and meaningless and the people who throw those words around frequently tend to have a reputation of dishonesty. Everyone quietly knows that they are liers as they can only make their point by intentionally misinterpreting what people say.

That's why being woke is losing its appeal.

Just like all the people on this thread calling OP homophobic, racist and a bigot are not actually listening to what OP is saying they are deciding for her what she is saying even though deep down they know it's not true. They either do this to stir the pot because they like to watch the world burn or they are extremely brainwashed.

If you can only make your point by misrepresentation (whether that is through omitting, misquoting or removing the true context of the statement by wilfully exploiting the pitfalls of the English language) then whatever you stand for is built on lies.

Look around you. People are getting tired of this behaviour online. It's being pointed out more and more by comedians, political scientists and politicians everywhere.

It's time to put on your big girl panties and have honest grown up conversations or leave the chat.

Hear hear!

I read OP's thread the same way, plenty of issues to focus on that women face as shown by examples Op has recently posted.

CremeEggQueen · 09/03/2023 13:06

Dreamstate · 09/03/2023 12:57

Hear hear!

I read OP's thread the same way, plenty of issues to focus on that women face as shown by examples Op has recently posted.

Yes, I agree there are lots of different issues we all face as women.
Why should some not be spoken about as much as others are though, or deemed "not appropriate for kids?"

SapphosRock · 09/03/2023 13:09

Wow. This board is getting more and more homophobic by the day.

ChunkaMunkaBoomBoom · 09/03/2023 13:15

‘If its Saima she is fantastic’

Saima Razzaq champions equality on race, gender, as well as LGBTQ + rights, but if you think that doesn’t make her a good choice for a focus on IWD then best contact your school.

ChunkaMunkaBoomBoom · 09/03/2023 13:16

@SapphosRock I know. It’s exhausting somedays.

Verv · 09/03/2023 13:19

OP, lesbian Muslims do not "get to celebrate x times a year"
That's the point.
Their religion, or more pointedly, males within that religion make it dangerous for them to be out, let alone "celebrate".

RosaBonheur · 09/03/2023 13:24

Verv · 09/03/2023 13:19

OP, lesbian Muslims do not "get to celebrate x times a year"
That's the point.
Their religion, or more pointedly, males within that religion make it dangerous for them to be out, let alone "celebrate".

Indeed.

I expect many gay and lesbian Muslims spend pride month quietly thinking, "I wish I could be out and proud like that."

CarrieSmisher · 09/03/2023 13:53

Sounds like you weren't actually there OP, and her points were lost on your son. That's your action, right there, to educate him on women's rights and achievements. Lesbian Muslim women are hardly allowed to exist, never mind champion the rights of women and girls in the way this woman does.
Also, can everyone stop calling her an LGBT woman?! A woman can't be all fucking 4!! She's a Lesbian. Say it, it's allowed.
I'm definitely having wine tonight.

Threemangoes · 09/03/2023 14:06

Rather than empowering muslim girls on other issues school has yet again used this day for lgbt issue.
Nadia hussein- a Bangladeshi Muslim TV personality with mental health issues.

Poetic pilgrimage-muslim hijabi faces of hip hop.

Aina Khan OBE- muslim women's rights campaigner "Register our marriage".

Fatima Al-Fihri -
Originally from Kairouan (Tunisia), Fatima is an inspiration to women and educators alike. Why? Well, she founded the first and oldest-surviving madrasah and university in the world!

Fahma Muhammad-
Born in the Netherlands, Fahma is most-well known for leading a popular campaign against FGM. Whilst volunteering for anti-FGM charity Integrate in Bristol back in 2011, she was shocked by the horrors of this violent practice.

Just a few examples.

Thanks for all kinds of comments.

Lgbt is not the only issue we face. Muslim lesbians are an even smaller minority. So why are we ignoring the elephant in the room and instead prioritising lgbt agenda in primary education at every given opportunity.

That's all.

OP posts:
Marths · 09/03/2023 14:06

Threemangoes · 09/03/2023 12:48

Rather than empowering muslim girls on other issues school has yet again used this day for lgbt issue.
Nadia hussein- a Bangladeshi Muslim TV personality with mental health issues.

Poetic pilgrimage-muslim hijabi faces of hip hop.

Aina Khan OBE- muslim women's rights campaigner "Register our marriage".

Fatima Al-Fihri -
Originally from Kairouan (Tunisia), Fatima is an inspiration to women and educators alike. Why? Well, she founded the first and oldest-surviving madrasah and university in the world!

Fahma Muhammad-
Born in the Netherlands, Fahma is most-well known for leading a popular campaign against FGM. Whilst volunteering for anti-FGM charity Integrate in Bristol back in 2011, she was shocked by the horrors of this violent practice.

Just a few examples.

What makes them more worthy than Saima Razzaq?

Threemangoes · 09/03/2023 14:11

RosaBonheur · 09/03/2023 13:24

Indeed.

I expect many gay and lesbian Muslims spend pride month quietly thinking, "I wish I could be out and proud like that."

No they wish they had access to education and financial independence so they can live their lives the way they want.

OP posts:
twelly · 09/03/2023 14:11

If as has been said the sexuality of the woman haas been highlighted then I assume that was signficantion when the school asked her to come along to speak. LBGT issues have a place but on this particular day one would have thought that this should not have been the issue highlighted. I think for the primary school age range sexuality should not be an issue that is publicised, but there are other issues that I think should not feature in a primary school as I feel that greater maturity is needed in order for students to understand these issues.