Did I just hear Sunak promise to investigate inappropriate and unsafe sex education in school?

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Did I just hear Sunak promise to investigate inappropriate and unsafe sex education in school?

I don't really listen to priminister questions, but I was just channel hopping waiting for the kettle to boil

So IABU to dance a little dance?

YABU - no you misheard, he didn't say that/ he said it but it is meaningless

YANBU - yes you heard it, yes it means something, dance away

@lifeturnsonadime

Thank you for the link. NSCU is run by evangelical Christians and has links to the religious right. I've read their manifesto and the default position appears to be blaming left wing views for society's problems. It also bemoans the decreasing influence on policy of faith communities. This isn't necessarily a great starting point for evidence based SRE, but I'll read the link.

I absolutely think that anal sex should be mentioned but there really needs to be caveats. It should be particularly pointed out to girls that they are at higher risk of serious injuries than boys from anal sex.

And very importantly they should feel able to say no.

It immediately starts off by using words like "indoctrination". Hardly a good basis for reviewing evidence impartially when you make your bias so obvious from the first paragraph. I would take it all with a truckload of salt.

Finally a small step in the right direction. I almost had a tiny bit of respect for Rishi today, although I'm definitely not won over yet by a long way. We should never have got to this stage in the first place. Although it is a relief that finally someone is slowly rolling this madness back, bit by bit.

THIS. With knobs on

Well everyone starts from a position of bias in reality. Especially when it comes to views on whether it is appropriate for Gender to be taught as fact in schools.

With other religious beliefs parents have a choice and they can choose to opt for a faith school or not.

Parents are not being given a choice, seemingly, over the teaching of gender to children in schools.

Same for Kink and Queer Theory. Most parents wouldn't want that taught as fact in schools either.

An investigation into whether this is happening in our schools and a discussion of what is appropriate is a very valid thing for the PM to do.

Those who believe in Gender and QT might well be concerned that an investigation is to take place.

My DD is 6yo. Her school teaches that gender is a protected characteristic, not sex. That humans can change sex. I have raised concerns, and have, amongst other things, have been threatened by the school with the police, for defaming the school. For saying that the school had dismissed my concerns, and that they had to quite the Equality Act correctly.

I teach secondary science. I have year 7 students coming up, who think that humans can change sex. That when a man transitions, he grows a vagina and uterus, and starts having periods.

That if a girl transitions, has 'top surgery ' radical bilateral mastectomy, and she changes her mind, she can just take 'titty skittles' (female sex hormones) to make them grow again.

A very wise ex senior civil servant explained to me that when an investigation or an enquiry is announced the aim is to kick the issue into the long grass for as long as possible so as not to have to do anything about it, or make any decisions on it.

@Lockheart

In a former life I read/evaluated this kind of 'study' for a living. This has the whiff of pseudo-research about it, but I'll give it a chance. I'll try not to be influenced by their anti-abortion and anti same sex marriage stance and by their arguments against welfare support for families. And their links to gay conversion therapy. Ooh, I'll also try to not think, contrary to some PP's claims, that this isn't the thin edge of the wedge for an attack on sex education in schools.

Well I hope that in this case there is an urgent investigation. Children should not be taught things that are not scientific or real and should not be taught about kink and queer theory in school.

Parents with children in school if this concerns you ask for information about what is being taught and by whom and take it up with your MP.

It can be the reason. It’s not always the reason. Surely everyone knows that? Not all inquiries take forever, usually just the ones where the government knows they’ll be in the sh*t with the outcome.

If that is the basis of consent, then everyone would need education on what they were consenting to, we'd all best make sure that happens.

Haven't read the full thread but I've seen this issue being whipped up in a disgusting manner by right wing commentators on Twitter.

Sounds like a strong argument for not teaching about god.
Does it also apply to parents, Santa could be in trouble.

Given the same government has been in charge for 13 years, I doubt they would really want the results of any investigation to be too rapid as unless everything is wonderful it is not going to reflect well on them.

How ridiculous!

Parents have a CHOICE whether to send children to a faith school and whether to teach children about faith.

They also have a choice about Santa.

Children being taught about gender as though it is fact, kink and Queer theory in school are being taught without parental consent.

It isn't great for them that this has happened under their watch but they are prepared to address it and not embed Gender Theory unlike the labour party whose leader doesn't know what a woman is.

Each school in the UK is required by law to have a daily act of communal worship of a broadly Christian nature. How many people actually opt out? Presumably everyone who thinks that all that should be taught should have a scientific basis and be real.

I know there are sime of my colleagues who have refused to deliver certain content. Whenever I talk about something I always point out that most relationships are not abusive. Sad place to start if we presume all are. I do believe there is sime age inappropriate content.

The problem with teaching that all you need is to get your partner, and I particularly mean girls and women, to say yes, or at least not to say no, is that still leads to coerced sex and women and girls having sex they don’t want to have. But the guy can tell himself it’s ok as she said yes, or didn’t say no. A reluctant, hesitant or pressurized yes should not be taken as consent.

A good partner is attuned to his partner during sex, can tell if she is not into it, and stops.

As far as I can tell having a christian belief doesn't lead to children wanting to mutilate their bodies and go on cross sex hormones.

I'm an atheist. If my kids were being taught theology as fact by an outside group with unfettered and unaccountable access in school, I'd hit the fucking roof.

Quite easy for Sunak actually, his line wld probs be I’ve only been in since the autumn, I’ve discovered all other areas of the gov bar the treasury were a shambles before that, please re-elect this government that is turning things around at the next election. I’d be highly surprised if this was put on the long finger.

Good point, unlike Starmer he seems to be able to see which way the wind is blowing.

I feel so let down by the Labour Party.

That’s about consent though, enthusiastic consent at that combined with knowledge about what makes a healthy relationship. Talking to teens about pleasure with regard to sex is crossing a line.