Did I just hear Sunak promise to investigate inappropriate and unsafe sex education in school?

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Did I just hear Sunak promise to investigate inappropriate and unsafe sex education in school?

I don't really listen to priminister questions, but I was just channel hopping waiting for the kettle to boil

So IABU to dance a little dance?

YABU - no you misheard, he didn't say that/ he said it but it is meaningless

YANBU - yes you heard it, yes it means something, dance away

Where else have you heard about 72 genders other than the Isle of Man incident? That you brought up. That you claim there is no evidence for despite the sex education of that school being suspended because of it.

Isle of Mann follows the UK curriculum.

@Rainbowshit

Ooh, you see me. Grow up, bully. Did you always want to be a mean girl at school? You say she's not interested in culture wars and I provide a direct quote where she states she is. Her report does not really constitute evidence as it it is largely hearsay and events taken out of context. Parental concerns should be investigated to see if there is evidence of damaging practices and, separately, SRE provision should be reviewed against the successful outcomes of other administrations. I'm bored of you twisting words to pathetically label people as dangers to children. It's obnoxious and infantile.

Miriam Cates has provided no evidence that would justify and investigation.

In YOUR opinion.

Very, very many parents are concerned.

May I try to point out the obvious to your condescending self to help
you understand. Teachers are grown adults, they are trained in presenting information to children. You say that RSE is part of teacher training. They should be able to facilitate discussion between their pupils as that is an essential part of education.

A better analogy is, I can change my own tyre, there are many garages who offer the service to replace tyres. Often those fitters Are tied. Into local car sales people who make a fortune every time someone crashes their car with a burst tyre and needs a new car (so what if a few get killed). It’s prob best for everyone if I change my own tyre.

Are you saying that you don't believe that transactivist groups haven't got access

Sorry for the double negative that should be 'don't believe that transactivist groups have got access'.

Are you saying that because a school in another jurisdiction happens to be doing something that is evidence that it happens in the UK too and needs investigating?

in which case I demand an investigation into the use of rulers by teachers, because some teachers in Malaysia use them inappropriately, also slippers.

So what evidence would be acceptable?

I'm guessing this is like the N+1 of how many people need to be harmed to be a problem.

Clearly not in this case because teaching about 72 genders is not on the UK curriculum.

Also worth noting there is no such thing as a UK curriculum. England, Scotland, Wales and NI each have their own curriculums and with the advent of academies in England state schools are free to have their own curriculum that does not follow the English National Curriculum anyway.

You say she's not interested in culture wars

I do, do I? Point out where I said that?

YOU are the one twisting words on here.

You think you're fooling anyone?

So posters think there should be an investigation but don’t agree with this one because evidence they don’t even need isn’t what they want?

Why is their logic so faulty.

Denying what? SRE is a mess because the Tories didn't carry out the planned review of best practice. Cates' report is terrible which is separate from any other genuine concerns but is the basis for the PMs actions, which is worrying because research based on false premises is unreliable. Why are you afraid of Ofsted and the DfE reviewing the situation? Are you in favour of a Trojan horse carrying new section 28 legislation?

It's all over the place with a good dollop of blaming women who want to safe guard children because 'reasons'.

These two may not be transactivists. But they've got their methods down to a T.

I was only trying to help as you did not seem to be comphrending that someone who does something regularly is more likely to be expert at it than someone who does it occassionally.

I would say it's bizarre but we see this over and over and over again when it comes to issues like these.

They think by throwing shade at the sources or the people involved they'll put people off raising their voices to articulate concerns.

Not happening.

I’m used to Labour / left on here but the mess of logic on this thread takes the biscuit.

At least get the order of thinking correct. It’s bonkers to read.

Why are you afraid of Ofsted and the DfE reviewing the situation? Are you in favour of a Trojan horse carrying new section 28 legislation?

What the fuck are you talking about?

I wholeheartedly support a review of the situation.

And what's with the accusations of homophobia. Here we go again with the lies to try to muddle the debate.

This is about CHILDREN being taught harmful agendas in schools.

People who object to it are not bigots, not homophobes, not far right, not anti abortion.

FFS.

Does throwing shade mean things like calling people trans activists in order to try and shut down any meaningful debate?

Does throwing shade mean things like calling people trans activists in order to try and shut down any meaningful debate?

Debate about what?

I've totally lost the plot.

We want what is happening in schools to be investigated and are pleased that this is happening.

What is the debate? What don't you agree with?

There hasn't been an investigation yet. It's perfectly reasonable to be concerned about how it may be conducted. Cates has said she doesn't want the DfE involved, I find that extremely sinister as there is no reason the relevant department shouldn't investigate issues that are in its remit. I would prefer Ofsted to conduct the investigation and review. Why do you have a problem with that?

Ah, I see we’ve arrived at the stellar defence arguments of:

1. X never happens
2. X almost never happens, it doesn’t need so much attention
3. X happens but not like that, you are exaggerating
4. X doesn’t matter, you need to focus on Y and Z

"These two may not be transactivists. But they've got their methods down to a T."
😅
These two may not be part of the Christian far right, but they've got their methods down to a T.

Aren't you a far right Christian trans activist? I am.

Yep and sling in some arguments of pearl clutching and alignment to far right bigot groups and homophobia and you've got it.

not arguments 'accusations'.