Did I just hear Sunak promise to investigate inappropriate and unsafe sex education in school?

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Did I just hear Sunak promise to investigate inappropriate and unsafe sex education in school?

I don't really listen to priminister questions, but I was just channel hopping waiting for the kettle to boil

So IABU to dance a little dance?

YABU - no you misheard, he didn't say that/ he said it but it is meaningless

YANBU - yes you heard it, yes it means something, dance away

And I would add that if we observe that third parties have built curriculums within sex education to further their ideology, whether that is gender faith, religious faith, fetishising or proselytizing lesson plan - then it's beneficial to have more scrutiny and accountability available to those with moderate opinions and voices.

It doesn't help if this is painted as a discussion between two waring factions who are oppositional and scathing toward one another. There's a gulf between the two that is filled with the silent majority who deserve a space to raise their suspicious and concerns without being dismissed or baited because they are assumed to be 'working for the other side', or whatever.

@Rainbowshit

Early on the report was being praised as being robust and beyond doubt. It's sloppy evidence gathering, use of hearsay and presumption of 'normal' sexual preferences was ignored. That's before we question the motives of the authors. I'm not a trans activist by any means and I've objected to certain assumptions about automatic acceptance of aspects of trans rights in my workplace on many occasions. It would be unfair to name the posters who praised it as they haven't posted in a while, but they're easy to find.

Again with the accusation that anyone objecting to the New Social Covenant Unit being involved in SRE is a trans activist and a danger to children. That's a disgraceful accusation.

It's not personal Hobbi it's a result of the divisiveness of the transactivists. Women who want to safeguard children and women are called all sorts of outrageous names. When posters are suggesting that there is NO EVIDENCE because they don't agree with the authors of a report it is reasonable to assume that those people might be transactivists or pro the teaching of QT in schools.

Look at the way that Lloyd Russel Moyle shouted at Miriam Cates in parliament over the gender bill. Women sticking up for ourselves and single sex spaces are transphobes. Women sticking up for children are pearl clutching.

This debate is so divisive. But we can all agree that the interests and safeguarding of the children must come first.

What we don't agree on is the lack of evidence that this is happening.

Some outside agencies are fantastic. Someone who is deliverying RSE and getting students discussing which is a huge part of it regularly, is much more likely to be good at it than someone who only does it occassionally and the rest of the time is a maths, french or english teacher.

So you can't answer the question actually asked. Thought not.

@Rainbowshit

I answered yours as best I could without dragging other posters into it. In your desperation to be right, rather than engage in discussion, you're using that as a reason not to answer my question in any way at all. I'll ask again anyway, who said there shouldn't be an investigation?

Evidence has been given on this thread of both religious and queer theory organisations giving unsuitable RSE from both extremes.

Why some are trying to dismiss concerns by saying, there's no evidence, it's a culture war, petal clutches etc etc is beyond me.

It's very clear that parents are concerned and want this investigated. If you're trying to stop that then you are part of the problem.

No you didn't answer it at all. Because you can't. Because nobody even hinted at what you are suggesting.

Whereas plenty of this posters have said wanting an investigation is pearl clutching, culture wars, right wing, threes no evidence it's necessary etc etc.

@lifeturnsonadime

"It is reasonable to assume that those people might be transactivists or pro the teaching of QT in schools."

I'm none of those things. I petitioned the government to review SRE regularly from 2010-12. I've read the report, and I'm afraid it doesn't meet the threshold for evidence, it's pseudo-research. I'd be extremely happy for Ofsted to review provision in this area.

You know from almost every post I've made that I'm very much in favour of an investigation so why am I part of the problem?

Honestly, I'm not too concerned that the starting point for the conversation is a report published by one particular group or another, especially when it sits along other observations by other groups approaching the situation from a different perspective. If this were the end point of the conversation, if on the back of one report by a self interested group, the pendulum swung to another extreme and we were to implement another round of mission creep from another direction, then I'd agree with your concerns.

But that's not what is happening. Or, that is not what was proposed. I want the mechanisms by which Creepy Tatchel and co. found a way into school to sell children the idea that age is just a number, to be closed down. The same mechanism employed by Friends of Fisting tm and Abortions are Sinful.Com. They can all get to fuck.

I think you missed the bit about age appropriate.

and to the other poster , letting children have their childhood and trying to keep them safe is not “ pearl clutching”

That wasn't actually directed at you Hobbi , but you did say this could be the thin end of a wedge for an attack on sex education in schools, and have been dismissive of the evidence being given, so yes I would say that you are part of the problem.

Apparently it’s even worse in Wales and parents to have no say or option to opt their child out .

You also seem bizarrely fixated on this one organisation when it's very unlikely that they will have anything further to do with either the investigation or sex education in schools.

Their report is just to draw together evidence to ask for a proper investigation to be carried out by the government. Not part of the investigation itself. Pretty obviously.

One very important way of keeping children safe and able to have a childhooed is age appropriate RSE which schools up and down the country work hard to achieve.

I agree and this deserves clarification. If it’s not part of the investigation what is the issue

How to shut down a very serious debate . Make it political and ageist .

“ pearl clutchers”

i would rather be one of those than a person who accepts teaching 11 year olds about choking and anal sex and 73 genders is acceptable. Just because it’s all ready out there so we should accept it .

So hopefully the investigation will show this and all worries will be put to rest .

Then training teachers to do this should be part of their training. Children should be learning debating skills outside agenda pushing

Alternatively there must be much more regulation of outside agencies to ensure that they offer a completely neutral, non agenda based ideology. These should be individuals who are not in any way linked to religious groups, pro life groups or groups that support gender ideology.

RSE is part of teacher training.

So an organisation says there’s some stuff that’s not great going on and government says ok we’ll investigate properly

Either it’ll show up those things, other or none

What are people objecting to?

So I've repeatedly said I want an investigation and have been an active campaigner for evidence based SRE for over a decade but I'm part of the problem? Ok.

You are not alone in that.

I find it interesting how the same government has ignored this for years and years, and then suddenly needs an investigation now.

It’s now happening. But you and others don’t want it. Why?

I don’t get the reasoning.