Did I just hear Sunak promise to investigate inappropriate and unsafe sex education in school?

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Did I just hear Sunak promise to investigate inappropriate and unsafe sex education in school?

I don't really listen to priminister questions, but I was just channel hopping waiting for the kettle to boil

So IABU to dance a little dance?

YABU - no you misheard, he didn't say that/ he said it but it is meaningless

YANBU - yes you heard it, yes it means something, dance away

They are for sure.

Anyone who doesn't put the safeguarding of children ahead of their political or ideological agendas is not acting in the interests of children.

if they are right and this doesn't happen in schools then the investigation will reveal this. Happy days.

Its ok, I didin't find a way to make the sarcasm obvious. Perhaps I should have said But Jeremy Corbyn at the end of the post.

Does that come from the same school of evidence as that eleventy billion genders are being taught in RSE in schools?

Well I guess this school isn't having an independent investigation into just that as according to you there's no evidence. 🤔

amp.lbc.co.uk/news/school-suspends-sex-education-independent-review-drag-queen/

And this video used on schools didn't exist either? 🤔

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/parents-condemn-bbc-educational-film-describing-100-gender-identities-396092vl8

@lifeturnsonadime

"You don't want that to happen because you want children to be taught gender and queer theory and kink in school."

An untrue and laughable accusation. I'm happy for an investigation. Just not by the New Covenant group. I think it should be Ofsted. While we're bandying accusations based on presumptions, you only want an investigation done by far right Christian factions, because you want to roll back the progress made on abortion and same sex rights. Oh, and you are against evidence based SRE. That ok for you? And if this doesn't apply to you at all, it's still more accurate than what you spluttered about me.

Do you mean like Rishi Sunak, who is prepared to see children die in the Channel for the sake of playing to a particular part of the Tory parties ideology?

People seem bat shit crazy!!! How about sex education is this

primarily the purpose of sex is to proceeate. However, humans are one of the few species who actually receive pleasure from it. The chemicals released can make you feel a lot more connected to each other, all these things have practical benefits but it is largely enjoyable for both parties.

However, sex has been used for some bad purposes, often to exert power over another person or group of people. Therefore, it should only happen between people who are both happy about what is happening and agree to it without feeling pressure. This is called consent. If anyone tries to make you feel bad about not giving consent they are a bad person. You should wait to have sex until you can fully give this consent. If someone touches you in areas that would be covered by a bathing suit or has sex with you without your consent or you feel coerced to give that consent you should talk to a teacher, parents or the police.

Most people have sex with someone of the opposite sex, some people with the same sex. Some people enjoy having sex with the members of both sexes. All of these are fine as long as everyone has given consent.

if anyone does anything you don’t enjoy or makes you worried you can tell them to stop immediately even if you have already said yes to sex, the other person needs to immediately respect that

Most but not all romantic relationships involve sex. The same rules regarding respect and consent also apply there.

sex Carrie’s the risk of getting pregnant or getting some diseases - always use a condom it is the only way prevent both but not 100% certain etc

The rest is fine figuring out as you go.

no need for persons with dubious intent inflicting their religious theories playing dice with the universe

Sorry, I am unlcear what you think I have rejected?

I am absolutely certain that those who believed that £350million a week more would be spent on the NHS were thinking rationally.

Are you just going to scattergun random "but... but...but tories " whataboutery all over the thread @jgw1

What relevance to this conversation?

So, since we have got to the inevitable end point in most contentious threads that amounts to little more than a false equivalence death spiral, am I right in thinking everyone thinks it's a good idea to have good data on this topic and that should be collated by a fairly well trusted body, like Ofsted?

Yes, Ofsted. Not Ru Paul, and not an Alabama pastor. Glad someone else realised they're not the only two options.

You seem to have described sex education as it occurs in schools up and down the country now.

Much like posters have scattergunned what about such and such weird and wonderful idea that someone with an agenda and no evidence has alleged is being taught in schools.

Yep - great if that’s all that’s happeningand no condoms are bad because we want more Christians/Muslims etc. made clear there are only two immutable sexes and the rest is ideology.

people on here seem to think sex Ed should reflect ideologies. No outside agency is required to deliver that content. Biology teachers are quite capable.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

None.

You appeared to have started off with the fact that there is no evidence to support an investigation despite the fact that there is plenty of it. You refute any evidence because you say that the report can't be trusted because of religious affiliations.

Then you seem to be saying you do want an investigation in spite of the lack of evidence but don't want one because you can't trust it to be independent and not be run by religious extremists.

You seem convinced that this is all a far right, religious extremist mission rather than what it actually is, which is safeguarding children from inappropriate content in PSHE in school.

I mean TRAs are forever calling women who believe that sex exists far right religious extremists as an attempt to stop or confuse discussions.

I suspect that this is what is going on here.

We are consistently saying that no one wants any anti abortionist/ homophobic groups in schools any more than we want gender and queer theory ideologists but you're ignoring all that.

What most people on this thread want is :

1. An investigation into how ANY lobby groups and ideologists have been able to infiltrate schools with an agenda. So that lessons can be learned.
2. Clear guidance on how and what PSHE lessons should be about and include to teach appropriate fact based material.

What people on this thread have not said they want is either NO sex ed or sex ed to be carried out by far right religious anti abortionist homophobic groups contrary to what some are suggesting.

@lifeturnsonadime

"We are consistently saying that no one wants any anti abortionist/ homophobic groups in schools any more than we want gender and queer theory ideologists but you're ignoring all that."

This is disingenuous. I've had a good look and nobody has consistently said that. The opinion seems to be that it's ok that the MP in question has links to the far right Christian fundamentalist group as she's said something that some folk want to agree with. You are wilfully ignoring the fact that absolutely everybody has said they want an investigation but when some of us say we don't want the New Social Covenant Unit involved, we're accused of not being in favour of safeguarding. A disgusting slur.

Can you point to where anyone has said they want the group this report is from to be in any way involved in any investigation or sex education?

We are happy that the GOVERNMENT has said they will investigate.

Whereas there are people on this thread saying, nothing to see here, there is nothing wrong, sex education is absolutely fine no need for an investigation. 🚩

Can you point to where anyone said there was no need for an investigation?

So what do you want then?

If it is an independent investigation then I think we can all agree with that.

A lot of posters on here have been consistently saying that there is no evidence and that there is therefore no need for an investigation. This is not in my imagination.

The fact that the evidence has been presented by a group you do not agree with does not render the need for an investigation irrelevant.

Or make us all pearl clutchers or right wing bigots or whatever other insult that TRAS like to throw at women who want to safeguard children.

And if that is what’s happening surely any report would show that. If any outside agency is coming in (and they really aren’t needed) then a report will show what agenda they’re pushing and shouldn’t. Fundamentalist Religious groups, gender ideologists, pro life etc should not be allowed anywhere near educational establishments- end of. Neither should they be allowed input into any material or curriculum development. Similarly no youth organisation should allow this.

RSE is very different to biology teaching. The R part is very important.

So it definetely should not be up to biology teachers, some of whom are excellent at RSE and others are not.

You answer my question first please.

This tweet seems on point as to the strangeness of the 'opposition' to this investigation.

twitter.com/mcdonnelljp/status/1633851817871253509

Again with the accusation that anyone objecting to the New Social Covenant Unit being involved in SRE is a trans activist and a danger to children. That's a disgraceful accusation. Some of us in the sector have been reminding successive governments that a review of sex and relationship education in schools is massively overdue. It was scheduled before 2010 but put on the back burner to protect previous Middle England votes after the change of government. Gove, of all people, was in favour but warned off. Ofsted should review it and use evidence from countries with better sexual health outcomes for young people. No agendas should be prioritised beyond better outcomes for teen pregnancy, STIs, peer sexual assault, physical, mental and emotional health and protection of human rights.