Did I just hear Sunak promise to investigate inappropriate and unsafe sex education in school?

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Did I just hear Sunak promise to investigate inappropriate and unsafe sex education in school?

I don't really listen to priminister questions, but I was just channel hopping waiting for the kettle to boil

So IABU to dance a little dance?

YABU - no you misheard, he didn't say that/ he said it but it is meaningless

YANBU - yes you heard it, yes it means something, dance away

I'm amazed. From the same people who brought you £350million extra a week for the NHS, who would have thought it!

So why don't you think children in school should now be safeguarded from inappropriate sex ed which teaches gender as fact , queer theory and kink?

You keep coming over to bash the Tories and we all know they aren't blameless, but what do you actually think?

Do you think children should be safeguarded or not?

So pointing out inaccuracies and bias and questioning motivations means you don't care about safeguarding children?

I think it's the opposite.

Do you want an investigation into what is happening in schools or don't you?

You appear to be using the report to say that the investigation is not necessary.

How is that safeguarding anyone?

It’s a distraction from the thread topic - nationwide investigation into RSE.
It seems it’s long overdue and very much welcome by many.

If you're trying to stop an investigation by accusing people of bias and questioning their motives then I would say no you don't care about safeguarding.

Have we not learned anything from Rotherham?

@Rainbowshit

Shall we agree that we want an investigation conducted by someone with interests of our children at heart? I personally don't believe that would include those who would ban abortion and same sex marriage, but perhaps you think fundamentalist Christians are best placed to improve the sexual health of young people.

I don’t get the reluctance. I’m assuming it’s political allegiance as it doesn’t make sense.

Well it's either that or a TRA or someone who wants queer theory or kink taught in schools.

Most would welcome an investigation into what is going on with schools. I question the motives of anyone who doesn't put the safeguarding of children first.

You and I agree with that. However here are plenty who don't want any investigation at all which instantly should raise a red flag.

True it could be TRAs

I would also want included in that investigation groups such as this:

www.heraldscotland.com/business_hq/23198924.anti-abortion-group-carried-dozens-school-visits/

And preferable a complete ban on external providers giving any kid of sex or relationship education to pupils. It's very clear that allowing free reign to headteachers is not working.

If everyone was taught properly that sex is for procreation and should only happen in marriages then porn would not exist and the problem you describe would be solved.

@Rainbowshit

These allegations are serious enough to warrant an instant investigation by Ofsted who, despite their other failings, are actually a sound source of research. Allowing the evangelicals to determine what should be taught to children regarding sex, sexuality and the ethics of relationships is not the way forward. It's strange that with so many posts on this subject, no one has any verification of this, other than hearsay. I had LGBQT+ training at a school with a well-known charity and I didn't like the obsession with trans issues and what I saw as a fundamental misunderstanding of the construct of gender. No explicit stuff but the default stance was 'boy plays with dolls, must be a trans girl' type stuff. On the other hand Ive also experienced STR training in a church school and was equally disturbed by the bigotry and dangerous messages. That is my worry - using outrageous and exaggerated claims as a Trojan horse for a new section 28, accompanied by fresh, American style abortion laws.

Children in schools are already safeguarded from the things you describe, which no one has provided any evidence of actually happening in UK schools.

@jgw1

"If everyone was taught properly that sex is for procreation and should only happen in marriages then porn would not exist and the problem you describe would be solved."

Married people don't watch pornography? Ok.

Absolutely, and I have already stated in this thread that I wouldn't accept sex education provided through the lens of any religious group.

What we are taking about is how do we chart the mechanisms by which third parties achieve access to our children during the school day and how are their approaches and teaching materials being held to account?

The answer is that we can't if people demand that we have no place recording, knowing and in some cases, objecting to ideologies sneaking in through the back door.

Religions, particularly the more fundamental adherrents to them, have a fantastic record of safeguarding people from sexual crimes.

@jgw1

Apologies if I missed the sarcasm - can't believe how many on here are happy to hand over SRR to fundamentalist religious groups.

Porn is out there. The kids will see it…. Would you rather they were talking about it in the playground with their friends in secondary school, with no adult to step in? Clips doing the rounds on WhatsApp etc?

I think it is entirely appropriate to discuss porn in schools in the context of consent, boundaries, and the extent to which porn is a fantasised representation of usual sexual relationships. If you do it that way, then they have the tools to view (in every sense) porn for what it is.

But teaching the kids about how to recreate it 'safely', giving them an exercise in creative thinking to work out how two different body parts could be used in a sexually stimulating way, then completely contradicts any message about boundaries because it tells them that it's normal and fine.

Yes they have, you reject it because you put your bias above the safeguarding of children.

I think a few on the thread are doing this.

Does that come from the same school of evidence as that eleventy billion genders are being taught in RSE in schools?

That isn't what is happening.

What is happening is an investigation.

You don't want that to happen because you want children to be taught gender and queer theory and kink in school.

If you wanted safeguarding of children you would be pro- a government investigation in to what is happening rather than trying to argue against it.

Can you evidence that? Most people on this thread are asking for a proper investigation to be carried out and external providers to be banned or have proper scrutiny. Not hand the reins over to another bunch of lunatics.