Did I just hear Sunak promise to investigate inappropriate and unsafe sex education in school?

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Did I just hear Sunak promise to investigate inappropriate and unsafe sex education in school?

I don't really listen to priminister questions, but I was just channel hopping waiting for the kettle to boil

So IABU to dance a little dance?

YABU - no you misheard, he didn't say that/ he said it but it is meaningless

YANBU - yes you heard it, yes it means something, dance away

I suggest that you actually read the report. It is comprehensively researched and the authors have gone to the source in many cases and looked at the actual organisations and their RSE materials. Are you suggesting that schools are spending lots of money on buying in these resources but then ignoring them? If so I’d say that’s a pretty big scandal in itself wouldn’t you?

Which aspects of the report do you challenge for factual accuracy?

I will link to the report below in case it has not been done already.

We know this is happening in schools - parents have reported issues on this very forum. It is too late to try and deny it now.

link to the report itself.

www.newsocialcovenant.co.uk/RSE%20BRIEFING%20FINAL%201631%20(IS)_small.pdf

The report says Whilst it is beyond the scope of this report to provide a comprehensive audit of what is being taught nationwide, the report is intended to give a meaningful impression of the nature and extent of contentious RSE specifically

so there is going to be bias - ie if you look for something, you’ll find it.

I would rather a proper audit on this from non-partisan sources.

I have read the report. I've also read into the information further. I am a researcher working with young people, so it has additional interest for me.

The 72 Genders thing. I challenge that. Safe choking being taught. I challenge that. There was more, but I didn't make notes.

Well then, you like most us on here, surely welcome an investigation?

All reports come from a position of bias.

But the evidence in the report is from things that are happening in school.

We have parents on these threads who are also giving first hand accounts of these things happening.

Anyone who thinks that an investigation is not the appropriate response when there are concerns about children's safeguarding should give their head a wobble.

It occurs to me that some of the content that teachers have reported that they are made to teach and the way it has made them feel - esp young female teachers in a class of lively teenage boys could amount to a form of sexual harassment of the teachers.

Depending on how the boys react to her descriptions of oral sex or anal sex or masturbating, it seems to be making an association with sex between teenage boys and potentially young (several at our school are only 22) female teachers.

Once they have opened this Pandoras box in the classroom with their young male students, they have removed another boundary between themselves and the students on this very personal topic.

As sexual harassment/assault/rape of female teachers and students by male students is already at unacceptable levels I don’t think this is helpful.

The 72 Genders thing. I challenge that. Safe choking being taught. I challenge that. There was more, but I didn't make notes.

Are you suggesting that the furore on the Isle of Man re teaching of 72 genders so they have cancelled all of their RSE is a lie?

Lloyd Russell-Moyle, the shouty Labour MP was insisting in Parliament that ‘safe’ ways of strangling each other sexually should be taught to children in schools in defence of organisations that want to do exactly that.

Are you saying that the RSE materials referenced in the report from the organisations themselves are false?

No, all reports do not come from a position of bias.

I would welcome an investigation but do not trust the report because it’s picking the worst examples and whipping up fear.

I have a 11 and 13 year old who have been through RSE. Their experience is nothing like that implied or outright stated on certain threads.

I am actually more worried about the shit they see on social media and YouTube. Do something about that. This government has run away from tackling access to porn etc so to think they have the answers is questionable.

Surely parents play a bigger role in what Dc access on YouTube etc

<sigh>so do you think we should have porn magazines at eye level in shops? And parents should just keep kids out of shops?

Parents aren’t given the tools to manage access to porn. The only option is not to have internet access it at all, which is impracticable and impossible.

We’ve got controls left right and centre but still it can get through. Peers etc.

Even places like Spotify are not safe! I have no ability to control the fact that there are porn podcasts on there, and there’s no way to block them.

So yes, we need government tools.

I would rather a proper audit on this from non-partisan sources.

How long do you think that process to take? How objective do you think it would be given that large swathes of the Civil Service are signed up Stonewall-ites who think this is all marvellous?

Do you think the government should ignore the experience of so many parents who have approached an elected representative to raise this on their behalf?

The information on what has been taught in some schools is in the report. We clearly can’t trust many schools to get this right so we need to check their work. Do you think that’s a good idea, given what is at stake?

I mean what IS the objection to a discourse about what is taught in SEX ed in state schools?

I just don't get it?

And I'm sorry most things that are written and are researched (reports) do come from a position of bias. They are commissioned by someone who wants to show something.

But Believeitornot are you really suggesting that because your experience is different that everyone else is lying? And the actual evidence in the report is fase? And there isn't an agenda by some (Lloyd Russell Moyle for example) to have gender, kink and queer theory taught in state schools?

I'm baffled that people are opposing an investigation into this?

We're talking about child safeguarding here.

Surely we err on the side of caution here?

If you're right then all is well and good apart from a bit of time and money wasted If you're wrong then children are being harmed.

I'll take the chance of wasting a bit of time and money thanks.

I have a 11 and 13 year old who have been through RSE. Their experience is nothing like that implied or outright stated on certain threads.

So your kids are lucky. Do you acknowledge that others are not and are being exposed to unsuitable materials in school?

Why shouldn’t we be acting on the worst examples - there are real kids involved!! If it is only one school (it isn’t) that is exposing their kids to this awful stuff, shouldn’t we help them instead of saying ‘oh it’s only a few hundred kids affected’.

Why do you think all civil servants are one and the same? Do you know any civil servants? That sort of view just makes me roll my eyes.

It could be easily sorted by having clear guidance and then parents should take it up with their schools.

But I suspect it’s not as widespread as some make out. He who shouts loudest and all that.

Sex eduction is always, always a tricky one, because some parents don’t even want their kids to know the actual names for their body parts, so cringe at the idea of a child knowing what a vulva is. So you’ve got that sort of feeling in the mix too. So that’s why I strongly question any idea that we’ve got every single child being taught about hard core porn from the age of 3, which I think some genuinely believe.

I certainly saw hysteria whipped up on this when RSE emails did the rounds - and on digging, it was people getting upset that boys would learn about periods for example. Give me a fucking break.

Sorry Marsha for the incorrect quote tweet.

But I agree that sex ed in schools is the responsibility of the State. What goes on the home is that of the parents BUT agree with Believeitornot that the Government could ALSO do more to ensure children's access to porn is restricted.

This isn't an either/ or situation.

Sledgehammers and nuts come to mind.

Exactly!! Maybe we could earmark some of the £millions that go into LGBTQ projects and introduce them to the basic concepts of safeguarding- I think many could benefit.

There is already safeguarding in schools. Speak to your headteacher if you’re concerned. Of course there will be mistakes made - but do you think that every child is at risk?

I do not.

I can’t say my dc have been to exposed to porn at eye level, where do you take them to see it?

I would never abdicate responsibility for impact of SM to government. Dc need help from parents more.

I also don’t get the objection to the report. Why would anyone not want to know what’s going on

Sledgehammers and nuts come to mind.

Seriously? How many kids should be taught harmful lessons on porn, strangling, anal sex etc before you think it important enough to do something about?

I also don’t get the objection to the report. Why would anyone not want to know what’s going on

A good question. And really, there's only one logical answer to that.

I don't think every child is at risk. I think some clearly are.

What's your threshold of children harmed before you think it's appropriate to take action then? 10? 50?1000?

For me it's one. One child harmed is too many.

Why are you being obtuse?

Parents should be responsible and should be given the tools to actually manage it. If you think that controls on phones and the current filters etc are enough, then you’re not doing your job properly.

I have explored this a lot and know they’re inadequate.

I’ve asked for a report. I’m just saying that this report quoted is biased and looking for the very worst, rather than a sensible look at the issue.

The government could quickly issue guidance on the matter, but why do that?

Then the government should issue clear guidance….. sort it that way. It wouldn’t take long to do