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Grandparent support excessive?

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Biilie82 · 07/03/2023 20:28

So my friends have the best set up for childcare, there are 3 sets of grandparents and between them they cover morning childcare, getting the kids ready and taking them to school every day. They also do every pick up and watch the kids for several hours after school,give them their tea etc this is on top of doing the morning in which they arrive 2 hours before school start time.
my friend do work but there are already 2 adults in that household. it just feels excessive to me. If my friends ever go away on holiday a member of family spends days at their house, cleaning it, getting food in etc.
I can’t imagine this level of input !
maybe I’m just a jealous cow!!

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Biilie82 · 08/03/2023 18:30

SparkyBlue · 07/03/2023 22:31

While I'd love all help being offered to me I'd hate all the intrusion into my personal space so it wouldn't be for me.

I’ve reflected on this point and agree that I would find it intrusive at this level, someone there for your mornings and evenings for several hours….

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AllThingsServeTheBeam · 08/03/2023 18:37

Biilie82 · 08/03/2023 18:27

dont care a huge amount, just enough to wonder if you can’t do your own cleaning…

Well I'm disabled, so I struggle. Why would you need to know that? Why would it matter if I wasn't disabled but my mum just wanted to help anyway and I was ok to accept?

Xiomara22 · 08/03/2023 19:11

My grandparents did this level of care
for me and my brother when we were young. We even got two holidays a year abroad with them without our parents. Wish I had even a fraction of the help from my child’s grandparents!

peonybeau · 08/03/2023 20:03

I am amazed at the amount of childcare and help nine friends of mine have received over the last decade or so. All very vocal about it.

friend 1 - parents are paying mortgage on a bigger than necessary property (5 bedrooms and they have 2 dc) also have 2 very large vehicles grandparents pay the monthly payments for.
friend 2 - grandparents paying for ft nursery for 2 dc so both parents could return to work full time. They insisted on having dc 1 year apart so grandparents were worried daughter would lose career prospects so this was the help to make sure that doesn't happen.

friend 3 - MIL is unpaid nanny from 7:30-6 pm daily and 2 evenings a week baby-sitting so parents can do hobby 1 night/week and go for date night 1 night/wk. friend 4 - dm does childcare 3 days/week and all their laundry, including cloth nappies and ironing.
friend 5- parents pay for all private school fees for 3 dc. Grandparents were miffed when they had 3rd b/c originally they felt they could only afford to do it for 1/2 of each fees of 2 dc. Daughter had 3rd and decided she couldn't go back to work with the stress of 3 so now grandparents pay for all 3 dc.
friend 6 - PIL pay for all extra curriculars for 3 dc (very expensive ones they do 5x a week), annual holiday to Disney, annual cottage rental in summer and are putting money aside to fully cover all 3 dc's Uni education. Also gave them 250k to get a 4 bed house when they decided to have 3rd dc. They are not a high income couple so grandparents were very worried when they decided to have a 3rd who ended up with a genetic condition. Grandparents are very very comfortable so decided this is what they would do to make sure grandchildren had a decent life.
friend 7 - only wanted to return to work 1.5 days a week, dc are now 13 and 9 there is no reason she couldn't work 5 days/week. She even works the nursery attached to her dc's school (only runs school hours). Her partner wanted to be an involved Dad so only works 2 days/week. Her parents pay for all the extras and sometimes the necessaries too like shoes, coats, swimming lesson fees. Both of the parents could work more.
friend 8 - only works 1 day week and is trying to be an influencer. In a very in demand industry and could get a FT or even almost FT job next week. Is moaning she's now had to go 2 days/week. They desperately want their own, detached home, so both sets of grandparents have given them 50k. Meanwhile she's gone back to work 1 day/week, despite also having credit card debt because she wants to work on social media while 2 dc are at school.
friend 9 - Grandparents bought them a house, a cottage they can use for free (it's buy to let but they let their daughter choose unlimited weeks/year), gave them their second car. Their daughter and her husband both only work 2 days/week each. Grandparents cover all extras for dc including piano lessons, swimming lessons, karate, dance.
friend 10 - One dc age 7, grandparents pay for new car every 6-8 years, two holidays annually, private medical care and whatever they can't afford which is numerous tbh. One parent works 2 days/week school hours only and one works 3 evenings/week. The one who is school hours only is always being offered more hours at work as is the one who works 3 evenings/week. They enjoy hobbies and various courses.

While I think it's lovely for gp to help and support those little luxuries that I'm sure many families appreciate, it seems odd to me to boost your adult dc to a point they are having a lifestyle funded by someone else. Can't afford a 5 bedroom home, get a 3 bedroom one. Affording 2 at nursery would mean handing over your whole wage for 2+ years, spread them further than 1 year apart (obviously slightly different if you are 40, but they were in their late 20's). You want private school but also want 3 dc, you have to make your choice. I guess I worry setting a precedent that you can have what you want funded by someone else, doesn't set people up to make good, adult, fiscally responsible decisions.

I also wonder if people who know they will inherit larger sums also don't feel the need to be as prudent? All of the friends mentioned above have boomer parents who made a lot on property and likely their adult dc will benefit enormously from that down the road setting them up well for retirement.

When I hear of situations like your friends I remember the point above and just don't feel jealousy. There is a cost to everything. It's also worth mentioning many of the grandparents above are lovely, but there's still a cost, even if it's just to them.

peonybeau · 08/03/2023 20:03

oops, I mean 10 friends!

beccahamlet · 08/03/2023 20:06

Somebody spends days at theirs when they're on holiday. That sounds really unlikely .

Biilie82 · 08/03/2023 20:25

beccahamlet · 08/03/2023 20:06

Somebody spends days at theirs when they're on holiday. That sounds really unlikely .

They really do, cleaning and then getting shopping in and preparing a meal for when they get back!

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Biilie82 · 08/03/2023 20:36

peonybeau · 08/03/2023 20:03

I am amazed at the amount of childcare and help nine friends of mine have received over the last decade or so. All very vocal about it.

friend 1 - parents are paying mortgage on a bigger than necessary property (5 bedrooms and they have 2 dc) also have 2 very large vehicles grandparents pay the monthly payments for.
friend 2 - grandparents paying for ft nursery for 2 dc so both parents could return to work full time. They insisted on having dc 1 year apart so grandparents were worried daughter would lose career prospects so this was the help to make sure that doesn't happen.

friend 3 - MIL is unpaid nanny from 7:30-6 pm daily and 2 evenings a week baby-sitting so parents can do hobby 1 night/week and go for date night 1 night/wk. friend 4 - dm does childcare 3 days/week and all their laundry, including cloth nappies and ironing.
friend 5- parents pay for all private school fees for 3 dc. Grandparents were miffed when they had 3rd b/c originally they felt they could only afford to do it for 1/2 of each fees of 2 dc. Daughter had 3rd and decided she couldn't go back to work with the stress of 3 so now grandparents pay for all 3 dc.
friend 6 - PIL pay for all extra curriculars for 3 dc (very expensive ones they do 5x a week), annual holiday to Disney, annual cottage rental in summer and are putting money aside to fully cover all 3 dc's Uni education. Also gave them 250k to get a 4 bed house when they decided to have 3rd dc. They are not a high income couple so grandparents were very worried when they decided to have a 3rd who ended up with a genetic condition. Grandparents are very very comfortable so decided this is what they would do to make sure grandchildren had a decent life.
friend 7 - only wanted to return to work 1.5 days a week, dc are now 13 and 9 there is no reason she couldn't work 5 days/week. She even works the nursery attached to her dc's school (only runs school hours). Her partner wanted to be an involved Dad so only works 2 days/week. Her parents pay for all the extras and sometimes the necessaries too like shoes, coats, swimming lesson fees. Both of the parents could work more.
friend 8 - only works 1 day week and is trying to be an influencer. In a very in demand industry and could get a FT or even almost FT job next week. Is moaning she's now had to go 2 days/week. They desperately want their own, detached home, so both sets of grandparents have given them 50k. Meanwhile she's gone back to work 1 day/week, despite also having credit card debt because she wants to work on social media while 2 dc are at school.
friend 9 - Grandparents bought them a house, a cottage they can use for free (it's buy to let but they let their daughter choose unlimited weeks/year), gave them their second car. Their daughter and her husband both only work 2 days/week each. Grandparents cover all extras for dc including piano lessons, swimming lessons, karate, dance.
friend 10 - One dc age 7, grandparents pay for new car every 6-8 years, two holidays annually, private medical care and whatever they can't afford which is numerous tbh. One parent works 2 days/week school hours only and one works 3 evenings/week. The one who is school hours only is always being offered more hours at work as is the one who works 3 evenings/week. They enjoy hobbies and various courses.

While I think it's lovely for gp to help and support those little luxuries that I'm sure many families appreciate, it seems odd to me to boost your adult dc to a point they are having a lifestyle funded by someone else. Can't afford a 5 bedroom home, get a 3 bedroom one. Affording 2 at nursery would mean handing over your whole wage for 2+ years, spread them further than 1 year apart (obviously slightly different if you are 40, but they were in their late 20's). You want private school but also want 3 dc, you have to make your choice. I guess I worry setting a precedent that you can have what you want funded by someone else, doesn't set people up to make good, adult, fiscally responsible decisions.

I also wonder if people who know they will inherit larger sums also don't feel the need to be as prudent? All of the friends mentioned above have boomer parents who made a lot on property and likely their adult dc will benefit enormously from that down the road setting them up well for retirement.

When I hear of situations like your friends I remember the point above and just don't feel jealousy. There is a cost to everything. It's also worth mentioning many of the grandparents above are lovely, but there's still a cost, even if it's just to them.

This blows my mind a bit, but good for them I suppose! 😳😂

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Fifi0000 · 08/03/2023 20:37

It's jealousy and it's a generational shift. I used to spend loads of time with my grandparents sleepovers etc holidays. Me and my friend were discussing the other day how it's completely different our own mothers don't work yet never offer to babysit nor want to spend time with their grandchildren.

Angebot · 08/03/2023 20:39

Im jealous. Single mum with 2 kids and no family to help.

Fifi0000 · 08/03/2023 20:40

My jobless BIL had a 5 bedroom house and SUV bought for them , they were supposedly infertile had twins via IVF and then another DC born naturally 11 months later. SIL kept saying it's a miracle they couldn't afford the twins let alone 3 ! She's not worked since and mil picks up the tab for the lavish lifestyle. She's a bit fur coat no knickers and tries to be hyacinth

Noicant · 08/03/2023 20:49

I am so utterly jealous. Only thing is if support (financial or childcare or housekeeping) is withdrawn it’ll be a shock the system. Guess if you are lucky enough to receive these things it’s probably wise to be grateful for every favour.

Biilie82 · 08/03/2023 21:24

Noicant · 08/03/2023 20:49

I am so utterly jealous. Only thing is if support (financial or childcare or housekeeping) is withdrawn it’ll be a shock the system. Guess if you are lucky enough to receive these things it’s probably wise to be grateful for every favour.

Yea it’s just normal to them, no gratitude really, just an expectation, it’s odd to me as I’m beyond grateful for any support I get with my kids

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AllThingsServeTheBeam · 08/03/2023 21:25

Biilie82 · 08/03/2023 21:24

Yea it’s just normal to them, no gratitude really, just an expectation, it’s odd to me as I’m beyond grateful for any support I get with my kids

How do you know they aren't grateful?

Biilie82 · 08/03/2023 21:30

AllThingsServeTheBeam · 08/03/2023 21:25

How do you know they aren't grateful?

Because it’s taken for granted, expected, no gratitude about the hours the grandparents put in, no recognition for all they do. Just the attitude of this is what the grandparents should be doing.
if one of the grandparents are ill it is seen as an inconvenience to their life and set up

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journeyofsanity · 08/03/2023 21:34

Snowpaw · 07/03/2023 22:22

I cannot imagine someone coming in my house at 7am to get my children ready for school. Surely if you’re up and getting your own breakfast ready it’s no more trouble to get breakfast for your own children. If you’re getting yourself dressed and washed it’s the work of minutes to help the kids with their’s. Why do you need another person? Transport to school I can see the point but I think the 2 hours before school is way too much.

The work of minutes ti get them ready? Hahahahaaaaaaaaa

AllThingsServeTheBeam · 08/03/2023 21:57

Biilie82 · 08/03/2023 21:30

Because it’s taken for granted, expected, no gratitude about the hours the grandparents put in, no recognition for all they do. Just the attitude of this is what the grandparents should be doing.
if one of the grandparents are ill it is seen as an inconvenience to their life and set up

How do you know this?

Namechangethisonetime · 08/03/2023 22:47

Fifi0000 · 08/03/2023 20:37

It's jealousy and it's a generational shift. I used to spend loads of time with my grandparents sleepovers etc holidays. Me and my friend were discussing the other day how it's completely different our own mothers don't work yet never offer to babysit nor want to spend time with their grandchildren.

What age are you, and how old are your parents?
I spent loads of time being looked after by my grandparents (neither grandmother worked) but have literally next to no help now. Also, have friends who have excessive grandparent help like in the OP. They literally cannot manage on their own two feet.

Fifi0000 · 08/03/2023 22:58

Namechangethisonetime · 08/03/2023 22:47

What age are you, and how old are your parents?
I spent loads of time being looked after by my grandparents (neither grandmother worked) but have literally next to no help now. Also, have friends who have excessive grandparent help like in the OP. They literally cannot manage on their own two feet.

We are 30 our parents are late 50s ,mothers don't work. I don't really know of any friends who get loads of help, my MIL has a very close relationship with my DD and has been very helpful but she's from a different culture.

GodSaveTheClean · 08/03/2023 23:23

I’m so jealous…..
It sounds amazing.
<sigh>

Snowpaw · 09/03/2023 10:37

journeyofsanity · 08/03/2023 21:34

The work of minutes ti get them ready? Hahahahaaaaaaaaa

I can be out of the door, from the point of getting up, within 1 hour with my 4 yr old DD. We get up, get breakfast first thing. Eat it together. She plays while I load dishwasher and put washing in the machine. I have a quick shower and get myself dressed. Bag is packed the night before. We brush teeth together. Then get her dressed and then out the door. It absolutely isn't a 2 hour job requiring 2 additional adults.

MammaTo · 14/04/2023 14:27

I think there’s a difference between offering to help around the house/childcare to GP paying for someone’s lavish lifestyle. Funding an unrealistic lifestyle is a complete joke!

When I was younger and would holiday with parents, my nan would fill the fridge on our arrival home and change the bedding etc and I know my mum would do the same for me.. I do the same for her if she goes on holiday.

My mum comes 3-4 times a week and will always run the hoover round or do the dishes. My MIL is also the same, they’d drop everything at a moments notice to see my baby or help with something. I do think this is what families should do. I know I am very very lucky compared to others who have no close family.

I genuinely feel really sorry for people who don’t have this network, it’s something me and all of my friends have so it’s strange that some people don’t have it.

MammaTo · 14/04/2023 14:28

Nina9870 · 08/03/2023 12:37

This is a bit like my set up and tbh I love it and feel extremely lucky. We get a lot of ‘me’ and ‘us’ time but also lots of great time with the kids. In addition, the children ADORE their grandparents, it’s honestly lovely.
no one interferes excessively. We’re family, there’s no obligation to do anything.
we both manage to work full time and there’s no way we could do that without help from the grandparents

Here here

Biilie82 · 14/04/2023 17:00

MammaTo · 14/04/2023 14:27

I think there’s a difference between offering to help around the house/childcare to GP paying for someone’s lavish lifestyle. Funding an unrealistic lifestyle is a complete joke!

When I was younger and would holiday with parents, my nan would fill the fridge on our arrival home and change the bedding etc and I know my mum would do the same for me.. I do the same for her if she goes on holiday.

My mum comes 3-4 times a week and will always run the hoover round or do the dishes. My MIL is also the same, they’d drop everything at a moments notice to see my baby or help with something. I do think this is what families should do. I know I am very very lucky compared to others who have no close family.

I genuinely feel really sorry for people who don’t have this network, it’s something me and all of my friends have so it’s strange that some people don’t have it.

That sounds nice, I’ve never, as an adult had anyone do my washing or cleaning so think I’d struggle to accept this kind of help even if it were on offer!
the funding thing is odd. They have 3 properties, both in well paid jobs, yet the GPs pay for cars, house repairs, holidays etc etc.

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