To ask what stops you voting for the tories ?

[Icandothattoo]

For me
The unending shite that is brexit
Corruption and dishonesty, especially during the pandemic but not uniquely. And not just Johnson.
Making already deprived areas compete against each other for levelling up money whilst perfectly affluent tory voting areas are handed it on a plate (looking at Richmond N yorks Rishi ! ). Funny that 80% of constituencies getting levelling up funds are tory...
Whole culture war. Singling out certain minorities to attack for purely political gain. In the 80s single mums, 90s benefit claimants, 2000s refugees, immigrants. FWIW I'm fairly gender critical but disliked the way they toadied round Trump and his abhorrent opinions/followers who pretty much wrote the culture war playbook.
So what stops you from voting for them ?

@Clavinova

To be fair Clav, plenty of MPs from all parties have ended up in jail but all their financial crimes pale into insignificance compared to Truss and what she cost the UK, Bojo of course trumps the lot of them in what he did.

....and yes, whilst you may believe you are fighting the fight for the Tories, you ve actually done more to bolster Labours cause than any number of anti Tory posts... Well done!!!!

Alexandra2001
To be fair Clav, plenty of MPs from all parties have ended up in jail but all their financial crimes pale into insignificance compared to Truss and what she cost the UK

To be fair again - some of the consequences were exaggerated. As a former Bank of England economist, Rachel Reeves should know better;

FullFact
Claims that the Bank of England has already spent £65 billion to support the economy following the government's mini-Budget have been widely shared on social media. These claims are inaccurate and misleading...

With the help of Full Fact’s artificial intelligence fact checking tools, we’ve also identified claims made in social media posts by some politicians such as shadow chancellor Rachel Reeves...
While it is correct that the Bank of England was prepared to spend this amount, it’s important to point out that this sum has not actually been spent yet.
https://fullfact.org/economy/bank-of-england-65-billion-gilts-mini-budget/

The Bank of England made nearly £4bn in profit from the pension market intervention that helped to bring down Liz Truss's government.
Threadneedle Street is estimated to have netted a £3.8bn windfall after it officially wound up the emergency bond-buying programme...
The £3.8bn profit will be handed back to the Treasury as part of the Bank’s quarterly transfer process...
The gilt purchases were made in two weeks through the middle of October and Threadneedle Street started selling them at the end of November.
Buyers paid a total of nearly £23bn for the bonds, netting the Bank around £3.8bn in profit – a return of around 20pc.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/01/12/bank-england-made-38bn-profit-mini-budget-fallout/

What has salary level got to do with ability @Clavinova? When did we last have a chancellor who has worked as an economist? Certainly not in the last 13 years.

Streeting worked for PwC.

Streeting worked for PwC

For a few weeks;

Streeting who surprised everyone by joining Price Waterhouse Coopers as an education consultant after leaving NUS. He left just a few weeks into the role after discovering that Redbridge Council, where he was standing as a councillor in a local by-election (he won the election and became a councillor last summer), was audited by PWC, which was a conflict of interest. He then went on to work on Una King’s campaign to be London Mayor.

When did we last have a chancellor who has worked as an economist?

Rachel Reeves left the Bank of England to work for the retail mortgage team at the Bank of Scotland - I don't think she's some sort of hotshot economist.

You don’t need to vote Labour.

You need to vote tactically for the candidate most likely to beat the Tory in our gerrymandered Constituencies.

@Clavinova

Go and spend some time with nature. I implore you. It is more rewarding than being the Captain on the Titanic.

Same reason I don't smoke

Chatillon
Go and spend some time with nature. I implore you.

It's dark outside - nearly 10 pm.

Yeah.

Good point

Good, normal people don't go into politics anymore. It's all idiots, inadequates, zealots and apparatchiks.

Because the politics I believe in are best for this country are more left of centre

I don’t believe everything the Tories have done is terrible and everything Labour has put in place was the right decision

I have never voted or thought to vote conservative i also woodpecker vote for Labour while Corbyn & Co were running the party

I also wouldn’t
month woodpecker 😆

Look at the stars, it must be be so depressing looking into the gutter all the time.

Camilla Tominey in The Telegraph The Conservatives are entering a death spiral from which there is no escape. Even their own staunchest media supporter has given up on them.

I have no idea how anyone decent can vote tory - I always imagined the people who vote for them are the same as they are. soz.

Just LOOK at most of the current crop - what a ragbag bunch of strangeness - you couldn’t find more oddies if you tried. Rees Mogg. I rest my case.

*The death and destruction of the NHS
*A prison service on its knees
*An education system in turmoil
*The rising cost of living
*The falling wages

And mostly the fact that the government don't care about any of that. They care about themselves and lining their own pockets. How could they be so callous?

The corruption and utter hypocrisy in all the government do angers me so so much.

The poor get poorer. The vulnerable get more vulnerable. Meanwhile, Rishi and his wife line their own pockets. Borris and his buddies line their own pockets.

This government have NO F*!king clue what the vulnerable in our society go through. They are so out of touch.

And don't get me started on Liz Truss and the billions .....

• have no idea why half of that is in italics 🙂

Lots of reasons based on many things they have done and stood for throughout my lifetime, but the common thread is that they tend to look out for those who least need anyone to look out for them.

@Clavinova Its not the costs to the BoE or monies they may have made (BoE has plenty of assets to cover financial disasters) its Govt borrowing costs by the increase in Gilt yields plus the over night withdrawal and increases in mortgage products.... thats hit ordinary working people, both renters and home owners.

Her budget is one reason UK inflation and hence interest rates are staying stubbornly higher than in continental europe.... its not pay rises!

However you look at it, the Tories have totally mismanaged the economy and now we all feel the lived effects, roads, education, transport, inflation and health.

However you look at it, the Tories have totally mismanaged the economy and now we all feel the lived effects, roads, education, transport, inflation and health.

The conservatives have been in power for 13 years. They came to power as the whole world was coming out of the Great Recession and what have we gained comparatively? Nothing. Our Foreign Direct Investment was huge - we were the 'go to' place. Number 5 in the world. Between 2005 and 2016 we had some massive investment, but those days could now well be over. Net FDI is on a downward trend. Companies are listing abroad. The Brexit vote has damaged us. If there is any benefit, which I doubt, it is 15 years away. By then we will be in a position to only start to catch up.

In the meantime, we still have to service the national debt. The interest alone is £120 billion a year.

That is £1 for every £6 in tax revenue.

We owe £2,500,000,000,000. That is £2.5 trillion.

That is equal to £89,285 per household.

13 years and this is where we are. In debt. No growth. Sticky inflation. Companies listing overseas.

This is 100% down to the conservatives. What every voter should be asking, whether rich or poor, is why have taxes generally gone up but public services all round fallen over the last 13 years?

What every voter should be asking, whether rich or poor, is why have taxes generally gone up but public services all round fallen over the last 13 years?

Even one J. Redwood of Ivory Towers is asking that question. And they are a Tory MP.

For whatever reason, a huge problem for the Tories is inaction, they talk a great deal but nothing actually happens... 2 examples... Workers Sick Pay - Reforms promised in 2019... nothing... just more talk.

..and Rent reforms, specifically removing section 21 No Fault evictions.. nothing, again just talk.

Time and time again, they talk a good talk, Jonny Mercer MP on Veteran and families protections is another one (he is quite local to me) witters on, meanwhile ex service men and women get evicted, live on the streets, families of dead service people not supported.

They just seem to have a Hands Off approach to the country, leaving pretty much everything to the "market" unless of course they see that might hurt them in their pockets...

This current crop of Tories don’t govern.

They have their agenda which is presumably

1. Remove the rights of British people.
2. Funnel as much public money into private hands as possible
3. Feather own nest so can buy £4million house with cash whilst pleading poverty.

etc

But they don’t take care of the stuff that the country needs a government to take care of.

Hence everything is shit.

@verdantverdure Yes the Tories have no desire to Govern the UK, its about the preservation of wealth for them and their ilk.

I never been a Tory but past Tory Govt's have done some good things but since 2010, everything has got worse... & i think their Austerity is the root cause of all of it.... bit like failing to maintain your house or the car, eventually it gives up.... thats where the UK is now.

I ve asked many times (on here) if any Tory voters can point to any improvement in anything since 2010 and all i ve every had is a big fat silence.