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Weefreetiffany · 2023-03-02T07:15:01+00:00

Baffled by this story https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11810311/Woman-49-convicted-manslaughter-raising-hand-elderly-cyclist-collision.html on what grounds are the prosecuting the pedestrian? It seems an absolute stretch to think that her gesticulating and “radiant her hand” at a cyclist for driving towards her on a pavement is wilful manslaughter? I can see how it’s a tragic, very unfortunate accident but how did this make it to court? The atmosphere is this country is so toxic to middle aged women at the moment- what is going on?!

spuddel · 02/03/2023 13:24

"The woman was walking towards the cyclist" Well no, the woman was walking on the pavement with a cyclist cycling towards her. A bit different.

lieselotte · 02/03/2023 13:25

In all this chat about the dangers of pavement cycling, it's worth remembering that nearly a hundred times more people are killed by motor vehicles driving on pavements than cyclists on pavements

Yes I am fed up with all the whining about cyclists (not just on MN, everywhere). Drivers cause many more deaths and serious injuries.

Comedycook · 02/03/2023 13:25

I'm appalled this woman has been given a custodial sentence. I absolutely hate cyclists on the pavement.....unless they're children obviously. One of them came up behind me on the pavement dinging his bell for me to move. Why should I dart out of the way to let him pass.?

dawngreen · 02/03/2023 13:25

She said that Grey’s ‘present opinion is where the pavements are narrow the cyclists… should cycle on the road’.
‘There was no intention to cause harm or an obvious risk of harm,’ she said.
She said witnesses had said that Grey ‘seemed childlike’, and that she lived in adapted special accommodation.

I could see she was walking to avoid the uneven parts of the pavement.

soleilblue · 02/03/2023 13:25

There is a video on the BBC website reporting on it. During the video a cyclist cycles past. Plenty of room.

spuddel · 02/03/2023 13:27

soleilblue · 02/03/2023 13:22

This is awful. The cyclist is the victim here. No

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Well I agree with you the cyclist is the victim, you can't get more victim than dead. But am not convinced it was manslaughter. Why on earth would a cyclist not slow down on approach to another person on a footpath, especially if they are required to give way to pedestrians on shared footpaths?

Strawberrydelight78 · 02/03/2023 13:28

Cyclists on pavements are a nuisance. She shouldn't have been on the pavement. Oh and who actually reads the Daily Fail?

OneTC · 02/03/2023 13:28

spuddel · 02/03/2023 13:27

Well I agree with you the cyclist is the victim, you can't get more victim than dead. But am not convinced it was manslaughter. Why on earth would a cyclist not slow down on approach to another person on a footpath, especially if they are required to give way to pedestrians on shared footpaths?

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You can tell from how she fell off that she was going very slowly

lieselotte · 02/03/2023 13:28

*The Netherlands seem to have spend money making sure that road designs separate users and takes into account their needs - it doesn't look like we are prepared to do the same so I think situations like this are more common than you'd think and tend to get managed by people being bit more considerate and possibly bit luckier(

Yes, and just being sensible. Keep left. Go single file if someone is walking towards you or wants to get by. Keep your dog on a short lead if someone is walking towards you or wants to get by. Don't hog the path. Middle aged couples: you can let go hands. Cyclists: slow down and keep LEFT! Don't wear headphones in both ears, so you can hear what is going on around you.

We do need much more investment in proper cycle lanes though (and cyclists should be given priority on them).

soleilblue · 02/03/2023 13:29

spuddel · 02/03/2023 13:27

Well I agree with you the cyclist is the victim, you can't get more victim than dead. But am not convinced it was manslaughter. Why on earth would a cyclist not slow down on approach to another person on a footpath, especially if they are required to give way to pedestrians on shared footpaths?

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Who is to say she didn't.

And I've no idea what you think the helmet has to do with it.

So nasty to the victim and their family

WaddleAway · 02/03/2023 13:29

Strawberrydelight78 · 02/03/2023 13:28

Cyclists on pavements are a nuisance. She shouldn't have been on the pavement. Oh and who actually reads the Daily Fail?

She shouldn’t have been on the pavement… so she deserved to die?

lieselotte · 02/03/2023 13:29

Strawberrydelight78 · 02/03/2023 13:28

Cyclists on pavements are a nuisance. She shouldn't have been on the pavement. Oh and who actually reads the Daily Fail?

It is in the Times as well.
And being a nuisance doesn't mean you deserve to die.

soleilblue · 02/03/2023 13:30

WaddleAway · 02/03/2023 13:29

She shouldn’t have been on the pavement… so she deserved to die?

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Victim blaming at it's finest isn't it sickening

OneTC · 02/03/2023 13:30

Strawberrydelight78 · 02/03/2023 13:28

Cyclists on pavements are a nuisance. She shouldn't have been on the pavement. Oh and who actually reads the Daily Fail?

Going by the first 2 sentences you might have been missing out 😅

Comedycook · 02/03/2023 13:30

I don't move out of the way if a cyclist is on the pavement. I'm a pedestrian...they're in the wrong. I wouldn't push one but I'm not scurrying out of the way when I have a right to be on the pavement and they're the ones in the wrong.

spuddel · 02/03/2023 13:30

OneTC · 02/03/2023 13:28

You can tell from how she fell off that she was going very slowly

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I agree, it didn't look like she was going fast. All the more strange then that she didn't slow further and dismount until passing the clearly harrassed/distressed pedestrian. Or even cycle closer to the inside of the pavement. It's odd.

Tratjymp · 02/03/2023 13:31

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 02/03/2023 12:26

How can the police not determine if the pathway was shared?

Bollocks.

The Police don't do the defending lawyer's job.

soleilblue · 02/03/2023 13:31

spuddel · 02/03/2023 13:30

I agree, it didn't look like she was going fast. All the more strange then that she didn't slow further and dismount until passing the clearly harrassed/distressed pedestrian. Or even cycle closer to the inside of the pavement. It's odd.

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It's not odd. It's not strange. It's perfectly normal behaviour.

PuddlesPityParty · 02/03/2023 13:34

spuddel · 02/03/2023 13:19

From the clip it appears the cyclist was on the roadside of the pavement the whole way towards the pedestrian. Maybe she assumed the woman would move over to the inside but with the gesticulating it should have been apparent she wouldn't. I don't get why cyclist didn't come to a stop and dismount or even cycle more slowly on the inside of the pavement. It looks like an unsafe conviction from that footage. That pavement is way too narrow for sharing with cyclists surely? No helmet either by the looks of things.

Well, I don’t get her why the pedestrian woman felt the need to make physical contact with the cyclist and then walk off as she lay dying in the road.

OneTC · 02/03/2023 13:34

spuddel · 02/03/2023 13:30

I agree, it didn't look like she was going fast. All the more strange then that she didn't slow further and dismount until passing the clearly harrassed/distressed pedestrian. Or even cycle closer to the inside of the pavement. It's odd.

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Yeah it's strange, but then perhaps the woman on the bike felt threatened by the woman shouting at her, waving get arms about, making contact and clearly intentionally closing in on her line of travel and didn't in that moment do her best bit of cycling. Remember the cyclist wouldn't have known that this woman is partially sighted and disabled, she just appears to be pretty able, doesn't have any sight aid, and is approaching a woman in her 70s in a threatening manner.

JohnnyYenSetHimselfOnFireAgain · 02/03/2023 13:35

hattie43 · 02/03/2023 07:24

Oh give over , it's the most read paper out there .!

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If that's true then it's a dreadful reflection of the UK society.

lieselotte · 02/03/2023 13:35

I've just read the Times report again and I am surprised about the sentence. The pedestrian has Cerebral Palsy and is partially sighted.

A lot of drivers get far less than 3 yeears for killing people

spuddel · 02/03/2023 13:35

soleilblue · 02/03/2023 13:29

Who is to say she didn't.

And I've no idea what you think the helmet has to do with it.

So nasty to the victim and their family

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Well nasty is not my intention, I was of the belief helmets were standard safety precautions for competent cycling. I'm in no way saying the woman deserved to die, of course she didn't. I am however refusing to see things in shades of black and white. There is nuance. That the pedestrian had some sort of disability was quite apparent from the way she was walking. And I'm surprised the cyclist didn't just stop until the woman passed as she was clearly not comfortable.

Comedycook · 02/03/2023 13:36

Thanks to the green lobby, ltns and such nonsense, cyclists have become emboldened.

Strawberrydelight78 · 02/03/2023 13:36

I'm not saying she deserved to die same as pedestrians who have been killed by cyclists on pavements didn't deserve to die. The woman swerved into the road by her own doing though. Nobody pushed her.