someone tell me what crime has been committed?

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Baffled by this story

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11810311/Woman-49-convicted-manslaughter-raising-hand-elderly-cyclist-collision.html

on what grounds are the prosecuting the pedestrian? It seems an absolute stretch to think that her gesticulating and “radiant her hand” at a cyclist for driving towards her on a pavement is wilful manslaughter? I can see how it’s a tragic, very unfortunate accident but how did this make it to court?

The atmosphere is this country is so toxic to middle aged women at the moment- what is going on?!

She was also described as a competent cyclist. I personally wouldn't expect a competent cyclist to be riding on the pavement.

Yes I think her appalling behaviour after the crash would have massively affected their decision to prosecute. How callous to leave the scene.

A very unfortunate outcome for the cyclist, If it was not a shared cycle path, why was the person riding there to begin with ?

@ShakespearesBlister except when we ride on the road the abuse (and dangerous behaviour) we get from motorists is horrific. We can’t win either way. My sympathy lies entirely with the cyclist.

I believe it's possible as its lack of remorse

How is the death of a woman - Captured on CCTV - investigated by Police - Prosecution launched by CPS - going before a Judge - an atmosphere against women?

Because it was a woman who forced another off the road? what if it was a man who did same - you’d probably say same or worse.

I think you see the Uk from a facinating viewpoint - but one I’m afraid - i simply cannot comprehend, if this is the example you hold up as justification.

Not what I said.

The only reason were meant to have sympathy for a cyclist riding on the pavement is because it was a 77 year old woman. Had it been an 18 year old boy, attitudes would be different.

Yes, I don't deny it was wrong of her to do this, but I mean in more technical, legal terms - would your actions after the injury that led to death influence whether the actions you committed that caused the injury and death were considered manslaughter?

Or going into a state of absolute shock at the turn of events?

Looking at the footage, I wonder if it was deemed to be manslaughter because the pedestrian didn't take any action to avoid the cyclist, when she could easily have moved in towards the railings, and there were less than 2 seconds between her gesticulations and the woman coming off the road. If the CCTV is slowed down, it's clear that they don't make contact, but there are less than 2 seconds between the end of her saying 'pavement' and the woman veering off the road.

I am quite shocked that this was deemed manslaughter, though. I can imagine many people feeling cross that a cyclist is moving towards them on a pavement. I also think it's completely ridiculous that the police couldn't establish if it was a pavement or a shared cycleway. The woman also does look well aged beyond her years - I would never have guessed 49, and her gait is awkward, so her cerebral palsy claims probably aren't far-fetched.

Looking at the footage, I can’t see how it can possibly be a shared space. The pavement looks quite narrow with a fence the other side of it. Definitely not enough room for sharing.

And there's me thinking pavements are for pedestrians.

Tbh the waving was not wild, she just moves her hand back and forth in front of her body. She does not wave it in the path of the cyclist, her entire body is ij the path of the cyclist, the cyclist should of stopped, she left herself no choice but to either hit the pedestrian or move in to the road which she did without checking for cars, having seen the footage apart from saying loudly "get off the fucking pavement " I don't see how she is at fault, the cyclist should have seen the lady ahead and adjusted her speed or dismounted to walk past, she was literally cycling at the pedestrian who did not change her direction or speed and the waving did not take any extra space as it was in front of her body.

Arguably, if even in-depth investigations can't establish whether it was a cycleway or a pavement, how was the pedestrian supposed to know?

The lady has cerebal palsy which affects balance and a cyclist was hurtling towards her on a narrow footpath. I wouldn't be too happy in that situation either. It's unfortunate that the cyclist fell in front of a car but if she was cycling where she was supposed to instead of being a danger to pedestrians it wouldn't have happened. Disabled people should be able to walk down a footpath without fear of cyclists mowing them down.

Exactly this.

What happened was tragic, but the cyclist should not have been on the pavement in the first place.

It's why I don't cycle. Never learnt as a child, would be unsafe on the road and illegal on the pavement.

So? If she was driving and involved in an accident and just wandered off people wouldn't defend her

It's a bizarre story. The police couldn't determine whether it was a shared path/cycleway? Surely that should be obvious.

Yes, if the police don’t know, how can anyone know!

It looks like this was constructive manslaughter.

The defendant intentionally committed an unlawful act (common assault? Defendant probably denied this was an unlawful act) which can objectively be considered dangerous (this would have been the element most discussed at trial I assume) and the action of the defendant caused the victim’s death. There was no intention to cause death.

There are maps online of cycle routes in Huntingdon, so I don't know why the police couldn't decide.

The brain does funny things in shock. If you’re in a vehicular accident you’re more likely to stay with your vehicle as it’s yours and a place you’re used to. I can imagine she couldn’t believe it happened and thought if she carried on with her day it would be undone. I’ve seen shock do worse things. Of course one shouldn’t leave the scene of an accident, but you could also say one should cycle on pavements and potentially cause accidents either.

The video isn’t clear whether she struck the cyclist but the cyclist, did swerve away and fell - which lead to her death

shared paths are often called pavements, many pavements and shared paths merge or end with out signage. Shared paths are for both cyclists and pedestrians

I think this was a tragic accident that occurred because both women were at fault.
If the cyclist had hit the pedestrian and caused injuries I doubt anything would have been done.
My dm gets really anxious if cyclists are on the pavement and I wouldn’t be surprised if she ever waved her hands at a cyclist.
I wonder what sentencing is for man slaughter.
It’s tragic all round.

I suppose it could have been gross negligence manslaughter too, but I thought you had to really act in a way that was very much worse than the normal way to behave. Did she do that?