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someone tell me what crime has been committed?

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Weefreetiffany · 02/03/2023 07:15

Baffled by this story

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11810311/Woman-49-convicted-manslaughter-raising-hand-elderly-cyclist-collision.html

on what grounds are the prosecuting the pedestrian? It seems an absolute stretch to think that her gesticulating and “radiant her hand” at a cyclist for driving towards her on a pavement is wilful manslaughter? I can see how it’s a tragic, very unfortunate accident but how did this make it to court?

The atmosphere is this country is so toxic to middle aged women at the moment- what is going on?!

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dawngreen · 02/03/2023 13:37

I think she should not have shouted so much maybe, and I think think the woman on the bike should have stopped to let her pass. Because its not easy to move out of the way if your walking is impaired.

OneTC · 02/03/2023 13:38

dawngreen · 02/03/2023 13:37

I think she should not have shouted so much maybe, and I think think the woman on the bike should have stopped to let her pass. Because its not easy to move out of the way if your walking is impaired.

She managed to walk into her way and push her off her bike pretty well though

spuddel · 02/03/2023 13:39

"Remember the cyclist wouldn't have known that this woman is partially sighted and disabled, she just appears to be pretty able, doesn't have any sight aid, and is approaching a woman in her 70s in a threatening manner." I disagree with this part, I think she looks pretty unsteady and definitely not nimble on her feet. If I cycling in her direction, I know I'd expect I would have to be the one to get out of her way.

lieselotte · 02/03/2023 13:39

I was of the belief helmets were standard safety precautions for competent cycling

Your belief is wrong. A helmet is needed for mountain biking and competitive cycling. It may be advisable in other contexts but only if worn correctly, which the vast majority of bike-users do not. And in no circumstances will it save you from being squashed by a car.

Runningonempty01 · 02/03/2023 13:39

Comedycook · 02/03/2023 13:36

Thanks to the green lobby, ltns and such nonsense, cyclists have become emboldened.

That is one of worst bit of victim blaming I have seen for a while. A 77 year old woman lost her life 😥

TerribleInsomniac · 02/03/2023 13:40

Think I’ve worked out the police confusion re whether path is shared
On the cambs gov website re cycle routes this road is down as cycling separate from traffic, as are other roads. But some of the other roads have a clear blue circular sign showing that the path is shared, this road doesn’t have the sign. So cambs council are not following through here with their signage.

A few pics below
nb on map separate from traffic are the brown and white roads.

As a pedestrian I’m now going to check my local area as clearly we can’t trust the signage

someone tell me what crime has been committed?
MarshaBradyo · 02/03/2023 13:40

Runningonempty01 · 02/03/2023 13:39

That is one of worst bit of victim blaming I have seen for a while. A 77 year old woman lost her life 😥

I’m a bit taken aback by these posts and the one where a cyclist dinged at them as the reason why.

My immediate thoughts go to the woman who died and her family, it’s really sad

Comedycook · 02/03/2023 13:41

She managed to walk into her way and push her off her bike pretty well though

A pedestrian can't walk into the way of a cyclist on the pavement. The cyclist is in the way of the pedestrian

Comedycook · 02/03/2023 13:43

Runningonempty01 · 02/03/2023 13:39

That is one of worst bit of victim blaming I have seen for a while. A 77 year old woman lost her life 😥

I'm not talking about the specific person. But yes, in a more general sense, cyclists have become emboldened by the current climate as more and more traffic measures seem to favour them

soleilblue · 02/03/2023 13:43

spuddel · 02/03/2023 13:35

Well nasty is not my intention, I was of the belief helmets were standard safety precautions for competent cycling. I'm in no way saying the woman deserved to die, of course she didn't. I am however refusing to see things in shades of black and white. There is nuance. That the pedestrian had some sort of disability was quite apparent from the way she was walking. And I'm surprised the cyclist didn't just stop until the woman passed as she was clearly not comfortable.

The disability was considered.
Cyclist probably wanted to just get away from angry woman

OneTC · 02/03/2023 13:44

Comedycook · 02/03/2023 13:41

She managed to walk into her way and push her off her bike pretty well though

A pedestrian can't walk into the way of a cyclist on the pavement. The cyclist is in the way of the pedestrian

You can walk into the path of anything moving if you so choose. You can also easily avoid this, but not if you want to get in their face

StepAwayFromGoogling · 02/03/2023 13:44

It's clear from the footage that a) the cyclist wasn't actually going to cycle into the pedestrian - they were on different parts of the path - and b) the cyclist ended up in the road because the pedestrian was swipped at her. So, yes, manslaughter. It's a shared cycle/pedestrian path up to that point, what's not clear is when that 'ends'. Either way, cycling on a pavement isn't a free pass for a pedestrian to force a cyclist into the path of traffic!

soleilblue · 02/03/2023 13:44

Comedycook · 02/03/2023 13:43

I'm not talking about the specific person. But yes, in a more general sense, cyclists have become emboldened by the current climate as more and more traffic measures seem to favour them

And what has that got to do with this case

StepAwayFromGoogling · 02/03/2023 13:45

Comedycook · 02/03/2023 13:41

She managed to walk into her way and push her off her bike pretty well though

A pedestrian can't walk into the way of a cyclist on the pavement. The cyclist is in the way of the pedestrian

Well that's bollocks.

soleilblue · 02/03/2023 13:46

spuddel · 02/03/2023 13:39

"Remember the cyclist wouldn't have known that this woman is partially sighted and disabled, she just appears to be pretty able, doesn't have any sight aid, and is approaching a woman in her 70s in a threatening manner." I disagree with this part, I think she looks pretty unsteady and definitely not nimble on her feet. If I cycling in her direction, I know I'd expect I would have to be the one to get out of her way.

She was out the way. Then the pedestrian made contact

dawngreen · 02/03/2023 13:47

She did not walk in her way she was walking in the part that was even to walk on. And the video shows no one pushing any one. Some one been pushed into saying they may have made light contact or she was not sure? @OneTC

soleilblue · 02/03/2023 13:47

Strawberrydelight78 · 02/03/2023 13:36

I'm not saying she deserved to die same as pedestrians who have been killed by cyclists on pavements didn't deserve to die. The woman swerved into the road by her own doing though. Nobody pushed her.

The defendant admitted contact

OneTC · 02/03/2023 13:47

Comedycook · 02/03/2023 13:43

I'm not talking about the specific person. But yes, in a more general sense, cyclists have become emboldened by the current climate as more and more traffic measures seem to favour them

More and more traffic measures take into account their vulnerability and are updated to reflect this and to minimise road accidents and fatalities, which fall disproportionately on the heads of cyclists under current infrastructure

OneTC · 02/03/2023 13:49

dawngreen · 02/03/2023 13:47

She did not walk in her way she was walking in the part that was even to walk on. And the video shows no one pushing any one. Some one been pushed into saying they may have made light contact or she was not sure? @OneTC

She also evaded the scene.

She says she made light contact. Then someone fell off and died. We can't ask the dead person how light the contact was. We've got someone who's got an express interest in it not being their faults word on it being light contact

dawngreen · 02/03/2023 13:51

A appeal has been made it says. I don't feel able to comment further until the final outcome. Any further comments would err on the side of my thoughts.

OneTC · 02/03/2023 13:52

I was actually kinda sympathetic to the pedestrian to begin with but the weirdly vindictive justifications being made by some here give a possible indication of what was going through her mind as well maybe.

I don't think doing stuff that kills people is often appropriate, stone me for that controversial opinion.

TerribleInsomniac · 02/03/2023 13:52

StepAwayFromGoogling · 02/03/2023 13:44

It's clear from the footage that a) the cyclist wasn't actually going to cycle into the pedestrian - they were on different parts of the path - and b) the cyclist ended up in the road because the pedestrian was swipped at her. So, yes, manslaughter. It's a shared cycle/pedestrian path up to that point, what's not clear is when that 'ends'. Either way, cycling on a pavement isn't a free pass for a pedestrian to force a cyclist into the path of traffic!

Do you have an image of the signage to show it’s shared all I can find is the route mapped on the go now website but absolutely nothing on the footpaths or signage
Ive walked down the whole road

Strawberrydelight78 · 02/03/2023 13:53

When I did my cycling proficiency I was told if I didn't feel it was safe to ride on the road to get off my bike and walk. That was back in the 80's when cycle lanes were rare.

Jusmakingit · 02/03/2023 13:55

Sure 3 years is a bit much … rapists get less time

ILiveAt64ZooLane · 02/03/2023 13:57

JudgeJ · 02/03/2023 13:00

The police should be prosecuting adult cyclists using the pavement, it's bad enough with 'cute' kids on bikes, scooters, skateboards as well as adults using motorised chairs as though they own the pavement and everyone else should get out of their way.

You sound just lovely having an issue with people in motorised chairs using pavements. It’s generally easier for someone that doesn’t require a mobility scooter to move in order to accommodate the less able. Do you kick guide dogs too?

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