someone tell me what crime has been committed?

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Baffled by this story

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11810311/Woman-49-convicted-manslaughter-raising-hand-elderly-cyclist-collision.html

on what grounds are the prosecuting the pedestrian? It seems an absolute stretch to think that her gesticulating and “radiant her hand” at a cyclist for driving towards her on a pavement is wilful manslaughter? I can see how it’s a tragic, very unfortunate accident but how did this make it to court?

The atmosphere is this country is so toxic to middle aged women at the moment- what is going on?!

The woman shouldn’t have been cycling on the pavement

For the millionth time, the police were unable to establish if it was or wasn't a shared use pathway so no one knows if she should or shouldn't have been there.

I do think the police have been deliberately ambiguous around it being a shared cycle path. A quick look at the path on Google Maps (outside Priory Fields Surgery on Nursery Road) makes it pretty obvious it's for pedestrians only. Not least because it's absolutely littered with road signs and is only wide enough for 2 people.

A helmet won’t protect you from a car driving over you, you do realise that.

I wonder how the cyclist intended to avoid pedestrians on the footpath, maybe everyone moves out of her way usually and she’s got used to that.

As a pedestrian being force onto the road by parked cars or occasionally cyclists and mobility vehicles does seem to happen very regularly with young kids, pushchair and for a few months wheelchair to push - it was very frustrating and not always straight forward to deal with and I think often overlooked by people without direct experience.

Though perhaps the pedestrian here would have been better served with a white cane or some indication of problems - I know DH was told to use his crutches by HCP long after he felt they were unnecessary as he was commuting via public transport and without some visual cue there were issues people could be awful and very dismissive.

There should not have been a custodial sentence for this.

And apparently light contact was made so it may not just have been a gesture but a push. It looks like a push in some viewings but the jury would have had access to far more information and evidence than any of us.

I do think the police have been deliberately ambiguous around it being a shared cycle path. A quick look at the path on Google Maps (outside Priory Fields Surgery on Nursery Road) mak

And according to some locals and reports part of it is a shared use path, the question is where does it end?

The first time I watched the video I also thought the pedestrian did nothing wrong as it looks like she waves her hand and stops before the cyclist passes. If you watch it again carefully though the pedestrian waves her hand out again the moment the cyclist passes and then goes out of frame. The pedestrian absolutely looks like she forced the cyclist off into the road and absolutely deserves this sentence.

"went on with her day."

yeah why not. She forces another woman in front of a car, she's lying critically injured in the road, but never mind! there's shopping to do.

But shared use path or not, even if theoretically the cyclist shouldn't have been there, it still doesn't automatically mean that it's a free pass to endanger the cyclist.

The pavement was narrow. The ideal situation aside from having a bike lane would be for the cyclist to slow down and the pedestrian to move to the side.

The pedestrian was waving her arms and shouting. No doubt the cyclist was scared and now she’s dead.

Three years isn’t enough imo.

How can the police not determine if the pathway was shared?

Bollocks.

The judge had a lot of sentencing discretion so maybe you should read his judgement before you make your snap decision.

I hate cyclists on pavements btw while having some sympathy for the fact that cycling on the road can be terrifying. I have processing issues that mean that I'm slower to respond to things, my balance can be poor and I have other disabilities so I get how intimidating it can be, but that still isn't a free pass to respond aggressively.

The pedestrian forced the cyclist off the road, and caused her to be killed by a car. Of course she deserves a custodial sentence!

You know the precise circumstances, have access to all the evidence and know the relevant law better than the sentencing judge?

It seems bizarre that the police don’t know if the pavement is shared.
Its not shared.
Never has been.
No signs for cyclists, markings, colour change or anything.
Its a long road and a thin pavement so the cyclist would have seen the pedestrian from far away. Wonder why she didn’t stop to let the pedestrian pass safely, or just cycle on the road.
There should be more cycle routes, the only safe solution. Although to be fare this road isn’t wide enough for that anyway.

Forced her on the road!

i must admit I gesticulated and shouted at a cyclist on the pavement the other day. I was stooped over picking up a dog poo, dog on lead sitting down. Suddenly there’s a whoosh and a cyclist passes so close they catch dog who falls into me so we both go over.

But I guess had she fallen off I would have been the bad guy.

Sure because what happened to you is exactly the same as what happened here. No difference at all.

We've all had close runs with arseholes on bikes (and in cars, and on foot). Maybe read the facts of the case instead of trying to fit it to some vaguely connected anecdote.

Something being legally justified is not the same thing as it being morally right. If the law were infallible, it would never change, and we know that laws are changed on a regular basis.

I have to agree - I suspect there may be an appeal coming in this case. To be honest, I am utterly sure that I have done the same thing myself (and almost certainly used the same words!). I am disabled, and you would not believe the number of times I have been nearly run over by idiot entitled cyclists on pavements. And I am talking here about adults with their fancy bikes and sporty cycling gear, not just kids or teenagers. It often seems that there is some kind of oddly elevated view of cyclists that they can somehow do no wrong, but in my experience they include some of the most dangrous road users going. Don't even get me started on how many of them around here go through red traffic lights!

extendable dog leads are so dangerous on shared paths. Dog one side and pedestrians the other with invisible lead stretching across the path 🙈 if you cycled through, it’s probably end up in dead dog and people crashing on the ground

ThighMistress did you attempt to push them into the road,if yes you are the bad guy.
Did express annoyance after they had bumped into you- not the bad guy. Its quite simple.

The convicted comes across as having a disgusting and entitled attitude which makes her actions unreasonable. From the footage, she sees the cyclist coming and doesn’t move out of the way, but purposefully blocks the pavement with her large stature and starts swearing and making shoving motions, forcing the cyclist on the road in that very second. Was that appropriate at that very moment when cars were approaching at speed?

Regardless of how you feel about cyclists on pavements, the pedestrian was completely lacking in common sense here. She knows there were cars approaching behind the cyclist at speed, so forcing a cyclist into the pavement at that second would lead to a collision and potential death. If I see a cyclist on the pavement, it might anger me but I’m not going to start swearing or attempting to get them hit by a car. There’s other ways I can express my anger that doesn’t involve physical injury. This woman’s behaviour was extraordinarily bad. Then to swan off to the shop afterwards whilst the lady you just shouted at/shoved is laying critically ill after you forced her off the pavement?

Ultimately the court would have seen the full footage that isn’t cut short, and would have had a more accurate depiction of this woman’s actions to arrive at a manslaughter conviction. The woman looks like she is shoving the cyclist, even if that wasn’t her intention. Her hand gestures, particularly from the point of view of the cyclist, caused this collision.