someone tell me what crime has been committed?

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Baffled by this story

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11810311/Woman-49-convicted-manslaughter-raising-hand-elderly-cyclist-collision.html

on what grounds are the prosecuting the pedestrian? It seems an absolute stretch to think that her gesticulating and “radiant her hand” at a cyclist for driving towards her on a pavement is wilful manslaughter? I can see how it’s a tragic, very unfortunate accident but how did this make it to court?

The atmosphere is this country is so toxic to middle aged women at the moment- what is going on?!

Try having a look at the video. If you don't change your mind, you are the problem.

You don't shout at someone while they are in a precarious situation like that. It's like shouting at someone while they are tightrope walking or operating on someone.

FWIW this is where the incident occurred. You can see the white camera from where they took the CCTC footage. There are no other obstructions. The path isn't that wide but wide enough for a pedestrian and a cyclist.
My first impression from footage is that it was not manslaughter, no way. However, what we didn't see is that the pedestrian made contact with the cyclist. She admitted it. So in that instance the cyclist probably panicked and swerved instead of stopping or just carrying on. Obviously I have no idea what other evidence the jury were shown.
The lights which are just in front of this location must have been green at the time. Had they been red, the traffic would have been stationary and Celia may have had a chance.

So very sad

I doubt it, but imo it should have. What a callous bitch, she didn’t even hang around until the emergency services arrived, though it must have been obvious that the cyclist was severely injured. Thank heavens for cctv.

Didnt look particularly agressive to me, get off the effing pavement is reasonable given she shouldnt have been it it and the pedestrian didnt exactly seem nimble footed either.
Wouldnt have happened if the cyclist hadnt first acted irresponsibly so while its a terrible accident, it is just that. an accident

The passer-by is disabled with C.P and visually impaired. Her balance and senses were distorted. She saw the bike coming and felt vunerable and unsafe. Bikes shouldn't be on narrow pavements. A local elderly lady was killed by a cyclist (on the pavement) a few years ago. What would the cyclist have done if a child/dog stepped in front of her, gone into the road? She should have just stopped instead. That shows me that she shouldn't have been cycling, as her extreme reactions are unsafe for herself and those around her.

This is what I see in the footage as well. I am amazed this is deemed to be her fault to the point of prosecution.

No I doubt she was hurtling; just going at normal cycling speed which is definitely far faster than walking and can still badly injure a pedestrian if there is a collision.

If you watch the footage again, she wasn't even doing that. She was slowed right down. You can see how slowly she was going when she comes into frame. She wasn't going at normal cycling speed when she was near the women even if she had been on the earlier approach.

I do question that, because it does seem to me that a cyclist riding at a reasonable speed for a pavement like that would have had time to stop as she saw the pedestrian approaching, because she could see that the space to get past is really quite narrow.

As above. She was crawling. She was pretty much fully past the pedestrian who leans/turns to reach her.

Ideal world, pedestrian could have take a slight step towards the railings and both would have had plenty of space. She didn't, fair enough, but even then there was enough space for them to pass safely, if snugly. It was caused by her reaching out aggressively towards the cyclist/shoving her. Had she not, both of them would have probably just got on with their days grumbling about inconsiderate pedestrians/cyclists getting in the way.

The police don’t just look at this solitary clip of cctv and put it into court. This collision happened in October 2020, they would have been working on the case to get the truth to then determine whether it goes to the coroner or to the magistrates/crown court. There will be witness statements from drivers, passengers, other pedestrians. Measurements from the scene will be taken, proven formulas to determine the speed of the cyclist and medical reports regarding the disability of the pedestrian and how she is affected by it. The bike will have been examined extensively as would the car involved. There is a full forensic collision investigation including scale plans of the scene and many photographs taken of road markings that indicate any scuffs, impact etc. I worked with the serious collision investigation unit for my local police force for over 10 years and the work they do is extensive to get the truth for the families involved that have lost a loved one whether it’s a single vehicle collision or something complex like this case. This clip is just that, a moment, without all the facts anything any of us here comment, myself included is pure speculation.

All fair points, and much appreciated

Absolute balls. Not the pedestrian at fault. The cyclist

I watched the video and it looked like the woman was gesturing in front of her body and it’s obvious she has a disability that affects her mobility. I don’t understand why the cyclist didn’t disembark in order for them to pass each other safely.

It is a tragic and terrible accident. I do think that the pedestrian leaving the scene and not rendering assistance was probably a contributing factor in the manslaughter charge. Also, her aggressive language.

However, many people with cerebral palsy have intellectual disability and I wonder if that was taken into consideration. Does the pedestrian have intellectual impairment? If she does it could explain the way she handled the situation.

The crime that's been committed is that a disabled and partially sighted person was on a pedestrian walkway that a cyclist wanted to use, don't you know we're all supposed to stay off roads/pavements now and let cyclists have them all to themselves, if we do dare to use them clearly we are expected to just submit to being mown down by them. It would have been absolutely fine if the disabled woman had been killed by the cyclist, nobody would have given a shit, in fact the cyclist would probably have been awarded a medal or something.

Yes this 100% this. Loads of work goes into these things.

Ive been knocked over by a cyclist who was riding on the pavement. They came up silently behind me and clipped my arm. I went over. Did they stop. No. Luckily I wasn’t badly hurt but cyclists should not be on pavements and shared space is a bad joke. I see so many near misses on the “shared space” going into Bath I no longer use it as it’s not safe for pedestrians

You can perfectly bloody well shout at someone if they're performing an illegal act which is putting you at immediate risk. If it also happens to be precarious it's their own damn fault if they get hurt.

She wasn't at immediate risk

No she has (according to herself) no intellectual impairment as per the BBC report from the beginning of the trial.

If the police can't say whether it's a shared use pathway (and there are some narrow pavements that ARE shared use pathways) then the cyclist could be forgiven for not knowing either.
The pedestrian just left after the accident and went shopping!

Why are so many people confidently saying that the cyclist shouldn't have been there when the police were unable to establish if it was a shared used path?

What an incredibly sad case for everyone involved including the poor car driver. I can kind of see it from everyone's side. Elderly, possibly insecure cyclist too scared to be on the road and thinking she is going slowly enough to not be a danger to pedestrians. Or perhaps she thought that she was allowed to cycle tjere. It must have not been clear as even the police couldn't establish that point. Pedestrian equally infirm and insecure having a sudden ill thought out reaction that unluckily has caused such a tragedy in this case.

That poor cyclist. I hate people who are rude, intimidating and who swear in Anger but in this case I hope the sentencing will be lenient as it seems just like a very unfortunate union of several rather minor things happening.

I don't think the pedestrian is necessarily careless because she went shopping. She was.probably.in shock and scared.

I'm not sharing the pavements with cyclists. They belong on the road.

Do you write fantasy professionally or just as a hobby?

I ride my bike on the pavement because cars will hit you or drive too close kr shout at you to get off the road. It's way too dangerous, that's that's the old lady was on the path.

I'd never Ride in the road anyway as I usually have my child on the back of my bike but we are considerate of people walking and would stop / slow down/ ride on the grass where appropriate.

The fault lies with the council and the government for only thinking about the needs of car users and not the needs of pedestrians and cyclists to travel (cycling is free of course, and very good for you and much faster than walking).

most people move over and I've only gotten positive comments about taking my children out on my bike. NO COMMENTS wen alone