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Weefreetiffany · 2023-03-02T07:15:01+00:00

Baffled by this story https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11810311/Woman-49-convicted-manslaughter-raising-hand-elderly-cyclist-collision.html on what grounds are the prosecuting the pedestrian? It seems an absolute stretch to think that her gesticulating and “radiant her hand” at a cyclist for driving towards her on a pavement is wilful manslaughter? I can see how it’s a tragic, very unfortunate accident but how did this make it to court? The atmosphere is this country is so toxic to middle aged women at the moment- what is going on?!

Quartz2208 · 02/03/2023 10:40

It wasn’t a narrow path though it should have room for two way pedestrian traffic. The cyclist moves right to the edge and slows down. Then I see an arm moved out causing her to go into the road

thedancingbear · 02/03/2023 10:42

BreastedBoobilyToTheStairs · 02/03/2023 10:38

Do you write fantasy professionally or just as a hobby?

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Professionals use punctuation and capital letters.

Zodfa · 02/03/2023 10:45

How the hell were the police unable to tell if cycling was permitted there or not? These things are established by specific regulation and usually indicated by signage. Let's just send a disabled woman to prison because people can't be bothered to do their jobs properly.

HarlanPepper · 02/03/2023 10:45

ClaraThePigeon · 02/03/2023 10:35

Why are so many people confidently saying that the cyclist shouldn't have been there when the police were unable to establish if it was a shared used path?

Because people don't like to let facts get in the way of their opinions.

Mariposista · 02/03/2023 10:45

Hopefully the scare of potentially being sent down for manslaughter will make this rude POS a bit politer and more inclined to mind her own business in future.

Emotionalsupportviper · 02/03/2023 10:46

spelunky · 02/03/2023 10:04

She's at fault whether or not she made physical contact. You don't deliberatlely stick your arm out and get in the way of someone cycling on a busy road.

Having watched the video, it's crystal clear that the pedestrian is at fault. I really don't know how this could be interpreted any other way. If she actually pushed her then that's even worse, but either way, it's an absolutely stupid thing to do and it is manslaughter.

I highly doubt that the pedestrian intended for the cyclist to die, and I expect she is feeling awful about it now. But she should not have done this, it was stupid and dangerous, and she should face the consequences for it.

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While I agree with you, her sentence seems disproportionate when you think that many people get behind the wheel of a car, and drive recklessly - even dangerously, are sometimes drunk/ under the influence of drugs, or redistricted by using a phone (illegally) - and kill/injure people but seem to get lighter sentences.

BeetleyCarapace · 02/03/2023 10:47

Emotionalsupportviper · 02/03/2023 10:46

While I agree with you, her sentence seems disproportionate when you think that many people get behind the wheel of a car, and drive recklessly - even dangerously, are sometimes drunk/ under the influence of drugs, or redistricted by using a phone (illegally) - and kill/injure people but seem to get lighter sentences.

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She hasn't been sentenced yet.

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 02/03/2023 10:49

Zodfa · 02/03/2023 10:45

How the hell were the police unable to tell if cycling was permitted there or not? These things are established by specific regulation and usually indicated by signage. Let's just send a disabled woman to prison because people can't be bothered to do their jobs properly.

If this is nursery Road huntingdon then the issue is the signage, part of it is shared usage unfortunately it doesn't specify when it ends so there is nothing to state if that section is shared or not.

Change2banon · 02/03/2023 10:51

Picklypickles · 02/03/2023 10:28

The crime that's been committed is that a disabled and partially sighted person was on a pedestrian walkway that a cyclist wanted to use, don't you know we're all supposed to stay off roads/pavements now and let cyclists have them all to themselves, if we do dare to use them clearly we are expected to just submit to being mown down by them. It would have been absolutely fine if the disabled woman had been killed by the cyclist, nobody would have given a shit, in fact the cyclist would probably have been awarded a medal or something.

A pedestrian walkway you say? … the same one the police could not confirm was for pedestrians only or a shared cyclist path?

You carry on with your stupid made up thoughts as though they’re fact 🙄

Badbudgeter · 02/03/2023 10:55

I’m in the bicycle shouldn’t of been on the pavement camp. I have a nasty scar on one knee from being knocked over by a bike whizzing along a pavement. I was walking out a garden with high hedges so they didn’t see me and you don’t expect to have to look both ways before stepping on the pavement surely?

I’d be interested to know the sentence. If it involves jail time I’d be surprised. A woman in Glasgow got a suspended sentence and a driving ban and she mounted the pavement in a car killing someone and injuring multiple others. Her actions seem much worse than in this case.

Emotionalsupportviper · 02/03/2023 10:55

Elphame · 02/03/2023 10:30

Ive been knocked over by a cyclist who was riding on the pavement. They came up silently behind me and clipped my arm. I went over. Did they stop. No. Luckily I wasn’t badly hurt but cyclists should not be on pavements and shared space is a bad joke. I see so many near misses on the “shared space” going into Bath I no longer use it as it’s not safe for pedestrians

Similar has happened to me - a cyclist (a young adult man) came round a corner and cannoned straight into me as I came out of a shop. I was eight months pregnant at the time. He got back on his bike and rode off, leaving me to struggle to my feet with the aid of a couple of women who came out of the shop as i was trying to get up.

Fortunately my baby wasn't hurt, but I was badly bruised and very shocked.

There really should be enforcement of the "no bikes on the pavement" rule. As others have said = small children, pushchairs, elderly people, people with disabilities, dogs - none of these can get out of the way easily if a cyclist is coming towards them - ad often they don't sound their bell as a warning if they are rounding a corner or approaching from behind. Bikes are almost silent - there is no warning of their approach unless they are coming head on.

QuietlyConfident · 02/03/2023 10:55

Zodfa · 02/03/2023 10:45

How the hell were the police unable to tell if cycling was permitted there or not? These things are established by specific regulation and usually indicated by signage. Let's just send a disabled woman to prison because people can't be bothered to do their jobs properly.

A) I'll eat my hat if she's sent to prison
B) it's irrelevant whether the cyclist should have been there or not

Emotionalsupportviper · 02/03/2023 10:57

BeetleyCarapace · 02/03/2023 10:47

She hasn't been sentenced yet.

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Thank you- I misread something which led me to understand that she had been given a long sentence.

Apologies.

Brefugee · 02/03/2023 10:58

She then walked off and did her shopping leaving the woman dead in the road and did nothing to try and help.
Would this have had a bearing on the outcome of the case?

not sure about UK but in Germany you could be prosecuted for not offering help (which could be as little as calling an ambulance)

TBH there is a lot wrong with this whole scenario, and i don't think it has benefitted anyone to bring the prosecution. I wonder why this one?

The woman (accused) has cerebal palsy and i get that she'd be nervous seeing a bike coming towards her on that narrow pavement (which looks nothing like a shared path - frankly not being able to ascertain that is laughable in the extreme.) Either it is - signposted - or it isn't. And that is something that needs to be urgently done on all footpaths in the UK with some urgency.

Cycling on a narrow pavement like that? meh. I wouldn't but the road looks busy and car drivers rarely give cyclists enough room, so i can get why she would have done that. Also, as a cyclist I'm ok with obstacles (including moving humans) as long as they don't suddenly change their trajectory (to be fair to the cyclist she may have safely been able to pass, we'll never know. It doesn't look like it though)

I feel really bad for everyone involved, a needless "accident". I especially feel bad for the car driver.

Brazilagogo · 02/03/2023 11:02

This is a terrible accident that, I believe, comes as a consequence of pedestrians and cyclists sharing the same space. I appreciate the same can be said for cars and cyclists on roads and I don’t know what the answer is but I have sympathy for both parties.

OneTC · 02/03/2023 11:06

Had the sentencing happened yet?

I think it's a pretty tragic story but wave your arm at someone on a bike and they fall off and die I think you can expect a bit of accountability.

Kennykenkencat · 02/03/2023 11:07

In this instance, however, officers could not determine if the pavement was a shared cycleway

How can they not know if it is a cycle lane or a pavement or both.
That doesn’t make sense

Detective Sergeant Mark Dollard said:
This was a difficult and tragic case. Everyone will have their own views on cyclists, pavements and cycleways but what is clear is Auriol Grey's response to the presence of Celia on a pedal cycle was totally disproportionate and ultimately found to be unlawful, resulting in Celia's untimely and needless death

Given he doesn’t even know if it is a cycle way or pavement and it is unlawful to be cycling on a pavement.

I have seen the cctv footage and wouldn’t say her response was at all disproportionate
Cyclists coming towards you at speed can kill you or at least knock you off your feet and maybe into the road.

I am pleased with the verdict and hope it is a stark reminder to all road users to take care and be considerate to each other

Maybe I am nit picking but the only person on the road was the cyclist when she veered onto it and the car.

The woman on the pavement remained in the pavement. She was never on the road

Kennykenkencat · 02/03/2023 11:10

OneTC · 02/03/2023 11:06

Had the sentencing happened yet?

I think it's a pretty tragic story but wave your arm at someone on a bike and they fall off and die I think you can expect a bit of accountability.

Really?

Maybe waving your arm will stop a cyclist from running into you when they are cycling where they shouldn’t be.

Why are cyclists rarely made responsible for their actions.

Change2banon · 02/03/2023 11:10

@Badbudgeter I’m in the bicycle shouldn’t of been on the pavement camp …. Why? Even the police couldn’t determine if this was a shared pedestrian and cycle path ….. the cyclist could have had every right to be there.

OneTC · 02/03/2023 11:12

Yes I mean really.

Cyclists aren't often made accountable for their actions because they're difficult to catch and trace. This one was lying dead in the road.

Manslaughter is an appropriate charge where an interaction between 2 people resulted in one person's death. It's literally what the charge is for. It can result in non custodial sentences as it will in this instance.

But someone died. So there's going to be some legal ramification

Fladdermus · 02/03/2023 11:13

Fizzadora · 02/03/2023 10:09

Try having a look at the video. If you don't change your mind, you are the problem.

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On the slow motion video it looks like she tried to push the cyclist off the path at the moment she fell into the traffic.

BeetleyCarapace · 02/03/2023 11:14

OneTC · 02/03/2023 11:06

Had the sentencing happened yet?

I think it's a pretty tragic story but wave your arm at someone on a bike and they fall off and die I think you can expect a bit of accountability.

She's being sentenced today (2nd March) I think.

runningpram · 02/03/2023 11:16

Her response looked completely proportionate. The lady shouldn't be on the pavement full stop and I say that as a cyclist. There are rare times when I've had to pop onto the pavement on my bike. I've always gone super slow or dismounted but even if I was riding (albeit slowly) I would fully expect pedestrians to be annoyed.

OneTC · 02/03/2023 11:16

A woman stuck her arm in front of an elderly lady riding slowly on a pavement causing her to fall to her death.

That's the whole story.

Whether she should have been there is irrelevant, dying is not a reasonable consequence of riding your bike on the pavement

OneTC · 02/03/2023 11:17

The lady shouldn't be on the pavement full stop and I say that as a cyclist. There are rare times when I've had to pop onto the pavement on my bike. I've always gone super slow

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