Page 5 | Wow just wow. AIBU to think MH is a complete tw*t

Fifi0102 · 01/03/2023 22:52

BlackFriday · 01/03/2023 22:46

Which posters, @Fifi0102 ?
I keep seeing this allegation being rolled out, that teachers are saying they've had it worse than anyone, but I've never actually seen a teacher on here write that.

It's not particularly this thread but other threads about teaching where many try to hint it's the toughest job imaginable . I don't doubt it is stressful I've done placements in SEMH schools so tough schools and no it was nowhere as difficult as complex behaviour nursing.
Anyway I don't want to argue as that's what the Tories want , the plebs fighting amongst themselves.

PaperLanterns · 01/03/2023 22:54

CurlyhairedAssassin · 01/03/2023 22:39

Ah you're wasting your time. Save your energy. Schools have been trying to hide how bad it is to give the impression outwardly that all is well, otherwise parents panic. Behind the scenes education is a shit show. I suspect this is what has been happening in the NHS too. It's all quietly going to pot behind the scenes, held together by extremely dedicated and passionate people giving it their all and wearing themselves out in the process, until things are at a point where people start to stick their head above the parapet and shout for help. Which is basically what the strikes are. School staff just can't go on paying for stuff out of their own pockets anymore, or working hours and hours of overtime for free (as I, and many other support staff, do). Or taking on work that should be done by social services.

ps, @PaperLanterns , please remember that other school staff know how it is, and value what you do. And plenty of switched on intelligent parents know how it is too. Please don't leave the profession! Hang on there and hopefully a change of government will help to get us out of this terrible hole we're in before there are no teachers left for parents to complain about.

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I’m already out, unfortunately.

I couldn’t afford to pay for my two kids’ childcare and work.

I was an M6.

But also, by the sounds of some of these posts, a grubby money grabber with an 11% pay rise.

Enfys1982 · 01/03/2023 22:54

Lots of people think the teaching unions are arses. Not saying I agree with MH by the way, but it’s a fairly widely held view.

justasking111 · 01/03/2023 22:55

GW and MH dealt with the union representatives not the teachers, heads, admin, cleaners.

I've helped run union conferences, believe me they're not folk you'd have in your circle of friends. And that's the problem.

They should have been supporting the schools through personal knowledge, visiting schools up and down the country. Not listening to the suits

CurlyhairedAssassin · 01/03/2023 22:55

The only time I get annoyed is on MN when the same posters try to make out teachers suffered the most during the pandemic or have the hardest job.

But they don't, and we wouldn't! School staff can only relay their OWN experiences. Which is what we try and do every time someone pops up here implying that teachers were workshy during COVID. Why would school staff try and make out that they know exactly how care home staff or hospital staff had it? They don't need to - there has been enough on the TV about how awful it was so that the general public realise.

Frabbits · 01/03/2023 22:59

He's a tory.

Being a twat is a requirement.

BlackFriday · 01/03/2023 22:59

MN threads involving teachers always go the same way:
Poster: teachers are lazy and do nothing
Teacher Poster: well, actually that's not true, we do x, y and z
Poster: Ha! See? You're always making out you're worse off than anyone else.
T'was ever thus.

fairywhale · 01/03/2023 23:07

DevantMaJardin · 01/03/2023 21:28

I mean the real problem is that as a group they were made to believe this real and totally dangerous virus was out there, that they were at risk of it, and that they were being left unprotected from it when other colleagues in people-facing roles were given protection measures.
But don't let facts stand in the way of holding a grudge towards randoms you'll never meet.

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As a group they were not made to believe that, they were told by both the NHS and the government that it was typically a mild illness. They ignored all the evidence around them that it was indeed normally a mild illness and chose to believe the hysterical men on the news and the media that directly profited from scaremongering the gullible. And why would they have elected to work since there was an option of not working yet continuing to be paid.

Thebestwaytoscareatory · 01/03/2023 23:09

MisschiefMaker · 01/03/2023 21:38

@DevantMaJardin plenty of young healthy female teachers were at lower risk than the general population who wanted to go back to work, yet they thought they should have the right to stay home at everyone else's expense. They had no leg to stand on.

And now they want more money from the private sector, despite their efforts to hinder the return to normality.

That's fine, of course, we can all advocate for our own self interest at the expense of others but don't try to take the moral high ground or play the victim, which is generally how unions attack!

Go peddle your elitist loving shite elsewhere, no one cares for the opinion of sock puppets.

Oh and by the way, no matter how much you lick the boots of the 1% you'll never become one of them.

BlackFriday · 01/03/2023 23:15

@fairywhale Ah, so it was only the lazy, gullible teachers who "chose" to believe the Covid fallacy then, was it?
I must have imagined those nationwide Lockdowns and the hundreds of thousands of deaths from Covid.

twelly · 01/03/2023 23:20

The point isn't just about not being school as I understand that there was a climate of fear around and it was easy to get drawn into this. It was the fact that many didn't; bother or refused to teach on line, weren't willing to update skills in some cases set children tasks that mean they didn't have to engage, finished lessons early or just reduced contact time, didn't mark work, didn't check on attendance etc etc it was by some used as an excuse to have a rest.

Unsure33 · 01/03/2023 23:29

As much as these messages , from what extracts we have seen are damaging I still feel very uncomfortable seeing them . I bet if you saw messages from all MP s it would be bad , but at end of the day I don’t think anyones private messages should be released unless in court .

IMO …..and yes some of my relatives were victims of his ineptitude , but this won’t bring them back .

Tinner01 · 01/03/2023 23:34

BashirWithTheGoodBeard · 01/03/2023 22:37

I think the point is that some privately expressed opinions that people are allowd to hold still make you a dick. Also, most of us haven't sought high office so there's zero comparison.

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Sure, and I agree MH is a total twat but one message isn’t the reason behind that

noblegiraffe · 01/03/2023 23:37

twelly · 01/03/2023 23:20

The point isn't just about not being school as I understand that there was a climate of fear around and it was easy to get drawn into this. It was the fact that many didn't; bother or refused to teach on line, weren't willing to update skills in some cases set children tasks that mean they didn't have to engage, finished lessons early or just reduced contact time, didn't mark work, didn't check on attendance etc etc it was by some used as an excuse to have a rest.

I've asked this question before and not really had an answer:

Do you think that those disparities in educational experiences of children have gone away now that they are back at school?

Parents got so cross when they saw their child receiving poor teaching, substandard resources or lack of online provision compared to e.g. private schools and were very vocal in expressing their anger at this.

Yet as soon as schools went back - not a peep. And yet the state of education in schools is just as patchy. Some kids don't have proper teachers for many subjects. Some are having inadequate teaching because schools literally can't get anyone else to do the job. Some are even having to teach themselves. In the meantime students at private schools continue to get a much better deal.

Where's the parental anger about that?

noblegiraffe · 01/03/2023 23:38

but at end of the day I don’t think anyones private messages should be released unless in court

Matt Hancock is the one who released them! To a fucking journalist!

Mammyloveswine · 01/03/2023 23:41

CurlyhairedAssassin · 01/03/2023 22:29

@JudesBiggestFan
I work for the police and we worked throughout, so my children were in school. To this date none of us have had covid. At my workplace, only one person has died of covid (I work in HR so know). The world honestly went mad. Looking at these messages gives me a mix of rage and sorrow...so much lost by so many, based on such little evidence.

I don't think you realise that school staff and children are STILL being affected by COVID even now, in a health capacity. We have ALL had COVID at my primary school, multiple times. Before and after vaccination. A large number of my colleagues, mostly the over 45s, now seem to be permanently affected by respiratory issues, so that when they catch a virus now, COVID or otherwise, they are wiped out by it, end up on steroid inhalers, multiple rounds of antibiotics, a couple with pneumonia, one with a partially collapsed lung, the luckiest have general chest infections which won't shift. Many of the children are similar actually. A friend at my previous school had to retire early because of long COVID (she had a pre-existing condition but caught COVID from school right before the first lockdown when we had pupils going off sick left right and centre, really poorly).

People that sit in an office with just a couple of other colleagues knowing feck all about what school staff have had to deal with the past few years, while implying they were workshy, really piss me off. You also seem to not realise the contradictions in your post as you mention that your children were in school because you worked throughout, whilst seeming to suggest that teachers did not want to be in school. THEY WERE THOUGH - Who exactly do you think were teaching your children in school, along with most of the rest of the school? A little band of Matt Hancock's teaching fairies that he magicked out of his arse?

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BlippiIsAnnoying · 01/03/2023 23:51

Tories gonna Tory.

StaunchMomma · 01/03/2023 23:59

I'd be more shocked by messages of Tories having an ounce of empathy.

This is standard Tory scum!

QueenCamilla · 02/03/2023 00:00

Piggywaspushed · 01/03/2023 22:25

Fully open, I should say, of course .

Dunno what is fully open to you.
3 days on, 5 days off sort of thing? That's what it was in the lockdown-fetishist South East. Never knew if the gates are going to be open or shut that morning. It hurt my earnings massively and I had to start relying on benefits.

The schooling children in "bubbles" never ended. Well it did end, with us moving North in early-ish 2022. After visiting the new school, my DS spoke for two days in absolute amazement at "everyone learning in one room" and "touching shoulders".

I still feel angry thinking about it - Unions mostly and at those teachers who supported every brain-fart of the Unions.

Glad to have moved. In a Southern school my DS would have read every trans-fairy-tale-porn book by now, that's a given. Anything but teaching.

noblegiraffe · 02/03/2023 00:06

Eh? In 2022 your DC was surprised to find everyone learning in the same room because in the South East they weren't?

What the absolute fuck are you on about?

ComeTheFckOnBridget · 02/03/2023 00:10

Yanbu
But it's Tories about Unions, what do you expect? They don't have an effing clue - nor do they want to have.

smooththecat · 02/03/2023 00:20

JudesBiggestFan · 01/03/2023 21:41

I think there needs to be a mea culpa from teachers on this. It does seem the government wanted children back in school more than teachers did. And when teachers must have known just how vulnerable children must be suffering in lockdown...I find it very, very hard to excuse. For the first six weeks maybe, but it rapidly became evident that teachers and pupils weren't at any significant risk of serious illness or death from the virus. It was mass hysteria and over anxiety. The government's worst mistakes were in giving in to this rather than telling people to keep calm and carry on. I work for the police and we worked throughout, so my children were in school. To this date none of us have had covid. At my workplace, only one person has died of covid (I work in HR so know). The world honestly went mad. Looking at these messages gives me a mix of rage and sorrow...so much lost by so many, based on such little evidence.

Selective memory out in force today. We had to lock down because the health system was under threat and schools were/still are a major site of transmission of disease. It’s wasn’t about who was at risk.

Sugargliderwombat · 02/03/2023 00:21

MisschiefMaker · 01/03/2023 21:38

@DevantMaJardin plenty of young healthy female teachers were at lower risk than the general population who wanted to go back to work, yet they thought they should have the right to stay home at everyone else's expense. They had no leg to stand on.

And now they want more money from the private sector, despite their efforts to hinder the return to normality.

That's fine, of course, we can all advocate for our own self interest at the expense of others but don't try to take the moral high ground or play the victim, which is generally how unions attack!

This isn't true, I dont know anyone who didnt want to work, we wanted PPE and proper guidance. I remember week one being bitten and spat at by a child whose two parents were surgeons, we had to change him when he pooed himself and he was trying to hug me and touching my face. We didnt have any ppe. What were you doing that week?

Somebodiesmother · 02/03/2023 00:25

Why are people saying teachers weren't working? They were!

Somebodiesmother · 02/03/2023 00:29

Fifi0102 · 01/03/2023 22:36

Oh please fuck off many of us had to nurse people dying of COVID in care homes no PPE or inadequate amounts. Relatives not allowed to say goodbye and inadequate pain relief to top it off. It was HORRENDOUS . Children are low risk and cev teachers were allowed to shield. Please don't make out teachers had it the worst they didn't , they didn't have to deal with death while having no protection.

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Quote exactly where she said teachers had it worst?