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To cut all ties with teenage son

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NinjaBunny87 · 28/02/2023 17:43

This is likely going to be longwinded but all relevant to where things stand right now.

I was a single mum as a teenager myself, his dad cut all ties in the very early years. Attempts made over the years to make contact but was bluntly told "not interested". Had the usual battles over the year with son's behaviour which hit a real brick wall when he was around 13. By this time I'd had 2 more children with my current partner of 10 years, always played a very supportive role as a step dad and did more than his fair share in parenting battles. When my son was around 14 his dad decided to make contact and they spoke, on and off, over the phone. I supported the idea of a relationship but made it clear the effort I had made his whole life to encourage his dad, non contact was nothing to do with my actions or decisions (dad lived other end of the country). He started skipping school, being abusive at home, destructive, sometimes violent towards me. Reached out for help for myself and for him. Help provided for me was limited, son rejected literally years of battling for mental health support, refusal to engage or attend appointments etc. Eventually he was kicked out of school within his last 2 months of year 11 after repeated outbursts at staff and refusal to follow rules. By this time, he had visited his dad a couple of times, a weekend here and there and we were in support of working together to get son on the right track. Got him into college to redo poor GCSEs with the intention of finding an apprenticeship and it lasted 2 months before he was again, asked to leave for disruptive behaviour and refusal to engage in work. We spent the next 2 months in constant battles trying to figure out where to go next, further refusal to help himself or to cooperate with the rest of the family. By this time, my 2 other children were really suffering for the atmosphere in the house and with very little outside family support, we were breaking under the pressure.

As a last ditch attempt to knock some sense into him about what he was doing to his future, I spoke to his dad about the possibility of him staying with him to sort himself out, thinking that the threat might be enough to make some positive changes. Turned out he had a gf living in the same area and jumped at the chance to leave. I tried to ask him to consider all his options but realised I'd made an offer he wasn't going to refuse and between my mum and his dad, he was moved within 2 weeks. Against my wishes. We were in the process of relocating about 40 miles away for partners work and after he made the snap decision to leave, he cut all contact for 2 months. I gave him his space and it turned out to be a good decision. When we spoke again, the pressure was off our relationship not being under the same roof and he'd managed to secure himself an amazing opportunity as an apprentice with a very good company in the field of work he'd always dreamed of and for a short while, things were going well.

Fast forward to last summer and my dad unexpectedly and suddenly passed away, a week before our house move and shortly before my youngest children were starting a new school. My relationship with my eldest remained the best it had been in a long time and I feel like we really connected and supported each other through a tremendous loss. The level of grief I've experienced since losing a parent has overwhelmed me enormously and I've struggled to find myself since it happened, plans for a fresh start in a new area and kick starting a career I put on hold has been put on pause while I try and navigate my way through. I also suffer health issues and a diabetes related eating disorder, I often feel like I'm drowning in what I need to manage. Since finding out I inherited a sum of money after my dad's passing, my son has had an expectation of what I should be providing for him. I offered to help buy him a car after he passed his test, I've put money away for all 3 grandchildren. But then my eldest stopped paying his phone bill (a contract I am paying for) and started spending all of his wages on not just his gf, but his gfs family. Fine, he earns a wage but I wanted money from his grandad to go towards his future. When we didn't receive birthday cards, the visits stopped and he decided not to come home for Christmas I called him out on it. I said we felt used and forgotten and taken for granted. Yet again, son has cut me off, since the beginning of the year. I have reached out to him and when I have refused to send him money, he has blocked me once again. I've tried his gf and his dad and been met with "respect my space." Today's effort has pushed me over the edge. I feel rejected and used, he will not accept responsibility for how he's made someone else feel and trying to make him understand that, without handing over a wad of cash, is falling on deaf ears.

He turns 18 in May and based on history and knowing him inside out and back to front, I know he will suddenly decide to welcome me back with open arms as that approaches. With the expectation I will be going all out for a significant birthday. I desperately want to be a part of his life but I feel like he expects me to pay for it, that my love is measured by how much I'm willing to spend. It wouldn't sit right with me to accept this is how I need to keep him in my life, but then it doesn't sit right not being a part of his life either.

If you've got this far then thank you! Please be kind, this is genuinely tearing me up and I'm at a loss. I'm a mum first and foremost but what it's doing to my mental health is crippling and I have two other children to consider. Any advice or similar experiences would be appreciated

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NinjaBunny87 · 28/02/2023 23:42

Thank you for the kind words ❤️ I miss my son and parent or not, adult or not, I'm hurting and I feel pretty powerless to make things better when he's 100 miles away and shutting me off

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NinjaBunny87 · 28/02/2023 23:50

I wouldn't expect him to support me through a loss, we supported each other as a family through shared grief and during that time we really held each other up, we all experienced that loss. He had a good relationship with his grandad, he really respected him and I know losing him was heartbreaking. We came together as a family. How long do I wait for him to want a relationship with me that isn't based on money because clearly, I'm frustrated that ultimately, that's where we are at right now.

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Eyerollcentral · 28/02/2023 23:51

He is only 17. He will change a lot in the next couple of years. He is grieving himself at the moment too.

AwwJeezyPeepsMan · 28/02/2023 23:52

Hey @NinjaBunny87 this is obviously causing you a lot of pain. I don't think you should cut all ties with him, but I also don't think you should bow down to him only wanting you in his life if you need to pay for the privilege! I would let him know you will always be there for him, but you're not his personal cash machine! Sometimes you need to be cruel to be kind and, as I said , let him know you will always be there, but you need to look after yourself too. Kids can cause so much pain to their parents and we're expected just to get on with it. But we are no good to anyone if we don't look after ourselves too. Sorry if that was a rabble, just don't want you to be so hard on yourself 💐

kenne · 28/02/2023 23:54

He's only 17. I have a great relationship with my parents, but I don't know how much effort I made for their birthdays at 17.

I imagine he has deep feelings of hurt and rejection that his father didn't want anything to do with him growing up.

I imagine there are feelings of jealousy towards the two half siblings who got to grow up with 2 loving parents.

I imagine he experienced more feelings of rejection and abandonment when you threatened to send him off to live with this inadequate father and then moved far away with your other children.

Now I imagine he is, consciously or unconsciously, punishing you and testing your love for him. In his mind, money spent may feel like validation .

I suggest like others that you try to work on the relationship by exploring and recognising his feelings. Keep showing him that you love him and are thinking about him, not through money but through actions. Chat to him, try to meet up, invite him to family meals and holidays. Send him little photos of things you think he might find funny, etc. Go to watch him play his hobbies, or whatever. He might keep rejecting you but I guarantee you he still loves you and desperately, desperately needs your love.

NinjaBunny87 · 01/03/2023 00:09

On reflection, I probably shouldn't have written this in the midst of being massively over emotional about the whole situation! Telling him what he needs to hear from me, being on the end of the phone, loving him and not giving up hope that we can get back to a good place is what I'm taking from tonight. Frustration, that's what it boils down to.

Thank you to all that replied with compassion and understanding 🙏

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mdinbc · 01/03/2023 00:16

If I were you, I would give a gift on his 18th as though your relationship was normal. It may be at some point when he matures a bit. Invite him and his girlfriend out for dinner with the family, give him a card and some money (the same you would give your other boys when they reach that age). Try to keep the conversation light for the sake of all your family.

See where it goes from there. He may be struggling financially with a minimum wage job, and might make some mistakes, but let him know you are there for him, emotionally if not financially.

stonedaisy · 01/03/2023 00:16

I think his actions and behaviours are wrong for sure but he lacks the maturity to realise it himself yet or to behave differently. I don't believe that is your fault as his mother in anyway and as he grows up into a man there is a very good chance he'll gravitate back towards you and feel remorseful for his behaviour. You will probably have to sit and wait for that realisation- possibly for some years before he grasps how important you are and how he should cherish you.
I put my folks through hell and they were amazing parents. School people and peers started to influence me and I just lost my compass for who really mattered.
He'll come back to you, keep letting him
know you love him.

shiningstar2 · 01/03/2023 02:00

Oh OP I really feel for you and also your son. 17 going on 18 can he a very difficult time. Legally coming to adulthood but with no idea how to navigate adulthood. He needs you just as now as he ever did and you are struggling with wanting to be supportive and also feeling hurt and frustrated by his actions and attitude.
How do I know all this? Because my own dgs is just 3 months older than your son and has just turned 18 this month. This last few months have been a rollercoaster for his parents and his grandad and me. Different reasons but same awful turmoil for all of us ...and him too.
If his siblings are so young he had you to himself as mum for a long time so I imagine it must have been a massive adjustment to have to share you asum with two others. And no matter how good his step father has been to him, he is not his dad and it's hard being in that situation. You have all that to navigate as well. And you have lost your dad and he has lost a much loved grandad.
In our family we are all saf at the opportunities our dgs has recently thrown away. His hasn't treated his lovely mum and dad very well at all and it is painful for us ourselves to see how hurt his lovely mother, our daughter, has been.
How are we handling it all as a family? As GPS we are giving the whole family every support we can. His DPs are swallowing their hurt and trying to put positive ideas forward to him. They know they had their own issues as teenagers ...as did we and we try to remember that and slowly, gradually move the relationship forward. We celebrated his 18th just as we would have if there hadn't been major problems recently and although he wasn't given money he was given expensive presents, a meal out with us all at a special restaurant and a personalized cake ext.
There is no getting away from it op, that at this age some teenagers can't see the wood for the trees. They focus on their own hurt, not all you've done on support of them. Everything will be your fault and they won't see where they've also been at fault and made mistakes ...or maybe they do see that and get defensive ..so it's still all your fault in their eyes.
Hang on in there op. Don't sweat the small stuff ..birthday cards ...or highlight these things for discussion with his stepdad or siblings. I know if my Dd is hurting it makes my son in law more angry with his son so possibly if you are hurting it will make your son's step dad more angry with him which could cause problems later if things settle and he wants to come home.
You have a lot to navigate, as does your son in and the rest of the family. Be careful about what's said in anger and hang on in there. 💐

Roundandnour · 01/03/2023 02:40

NinjaBunny87 · 28/02/2023 23:50

I wouldn't expect him to support me through a loss, we supported each other as a family through shared grief and during that time we really held each other up, we all experienced that loss. He had a good relationship with his grandad, he really respected him and I know losing him was heartbreaking. We came together as a family. How long do I wait for him to want a relationship with me that isn't based on money because clearly, I'm frustrated that ultimately, that's where we are at right now.

As long as it takes.
He is still developing emotionally.

Ot took years for us to have that relationship back. It was hard. There were times I thought I couldn’t do it anymore especially when he would laugh about that day. But ultimately I couldn’t give up on him as it would have hurt us all. There were times I wanted to scream at him what I thought of him, instead I would make a lame excuse and hang up or walk out of the house (couldn’t go to another room as he would follow and goad me).

I know you’re hurting. You all are. He’s lashing out at you and yes it’s unfair him trying to push you away. Questioning how much you love him.

Be prepared to never have that apology. Grief does weird shit to us and in his own way not only is he grieving the loss of a loved family member, as you are, but also that of the family life he once had.

Perhaps that’s a way of getting him get some help, grief counselling. He might be more open to that as there isn’t the same stigma as there is when it comes to mental health.

snitzelvoncrumb · 01/03/2023 03:49

He is still a child, his brain is years away from being completely developed. You are his mum, make sure he knows you love him. You don’t have to give him money, but don’t cut off the relationship.

Springchicken75 · 01/03/2023 08:13

NinjaBunny87 · 28/02/2023 23:50

I wouldn't expect him to support me through a loss, we supported each other as a family through shared grief and during that time we really held each other up, we all experienced that loss. He had a good relationship with his grandad, he really respected him and I know losing him was heartbreaking. We came together as a family. How long do I wait for him to want a relationship with me that isn't based on money because clearly, I'm frustrated that ultimately, that's where we are at right now.

I would suggest your child needs your unconditional love, support, financial assistance and help with his own grief.
He is not there to support you, or even give much consideration to your ‘needs’ he is seventeen and simply may not be developed sufficiently to offer what you are expecting of him.

You are demanding a two way adult relationship - for him to be financially independent and to follow your expectations of him. It’s way too much. Your relationship isn’t equal, you are the parent and therefore the onus is on you to take care of him, to be there for him and to understand his needs - as a fledgling. Not the other way around.

I think you need professional therapy and support op. Explore why you feel like you do towards your son - were you unsupported in childhood? Felt unloved? Ultimately you are in make or break territory - get behind your child op, he might look grown up but he is still very young and needs his mother more times than he will care to admit.

Meterry · 01/03/2023 08:30

SchoolQuestionnaire · 28/02/2023 21:10

Just imagine how your ds felt when you unilaterally decided to move 40 miles away from his friends and everything he knows and then told him to move out. He’s still a child and you are being very hard on him.

This.

Our mum moved for a man, 350 miles away. I’d like to hear your sons side.

Cornishclio · 01/03/2023 09:20

I don't think you should cut all contact but I would put any thought of you being his cash dispenser out the window. He moved away even though you offered him a roof. You have offered to pay for food shops. Who knows what influence the gf and his father are having on him. If he wants to make arbitrary decisions to move away and essentially ignore the mum and siblings he has known his whole life he is old enough to realise the consequences of his actions.

Contact him every now and again unless he asks you not to. A card and small gift for his birthday and tell him if he needs a place to stay you are willing to have him home subject to normal house rules. Maybe try and get to know the gf too.

Springchicken75 · 01/03/2023 09:23

Cornishclio · 01/03/2023 09:20

I don't think you should cut all contact but I would put any thought of you being his cash dispenser out the window. He moved away even though you offered him a roof. You have offered to pay for food shops. Who knows what influence the gf and his father are having on him. If he wants to make arbitrary decisions to move away and essentially ignore the mum and siblings he has known his whole life he is old enough to realise the consequences of his actions.

Contact him every now and again unless he asks you not to. A card and small gift for his birthday and tell him if he needs a place to stay you are willing to have him home subject to normal house rules. Maybe try and get to know the gf too.

God how clinical.

subject to house rules?!
willing to have him back?!

Are you an actual parent? Or a HR assistant?

Thos is ops child we are talking about, not s random waif on the streets.

Littlewhitecat · 01/03/2023 09:55

You say you'd never give up on your son but literally started a thread with the title "to cut all ties with teenage son". I asked up thread what would have happened to you if as a pregnant teenager your family had cut all ties with you (which they didn't appear to judging by the comments you've made about your lovely dad). You clearly didn't have an easy time of it in your late teens but you seem unable to find much empathy for the situation your son is in. There are few stories of teen parents where the whole thing is planned and the teens can support themselves so I am assuming you made a fair few mistakes which you needed a lot of support for. Why was that ok in your situation but not in your son's? You come across as if he owes you something - do you feel angry that you had to grow up fast once you had him? You know that is not his responsibility don't you.

barmycatmum · 01/03/2023 10:03

Cut him off. I am thinking of your other children when I say this. I had a brother much like this, and am still in therapy because of it. He grew increasingly abusive, until finally we all cut him off - far too late; so much damage was done.

Cornishclio · 01/03/2023 10:25

S*pringchicken
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I am a parent thanks to two lovely now adult daughters. The OP has 2 other children to consider so when I say "house rules" I mean the sort of behaviour where is not violent or intimidating to the younger siblings. He can't be allowed to get away with obnoxious behaviour at the expense of the rest of the family. There has to be a balance of her saying she is there for her son whilst also protecting her younger children.

Springchicken75 · 01/03/2023 10:45

barmycatmum · 01/03/2023 10:03

Cut him off. I am thinking of your other children when I say this. I had a brother much like this, and am still in therapy because of it. He grew increasingly abusive, until finally we all cut him off - far too late; so much damage was done.

Excuse me projecting much? There is not a single shred of evidence to suggest he is ‘abusing’ his siblings

Quitelikeit · 01/03/2023 10:58

The teen years are hard. He is rebelling slightly.

You say when do I stop making decisions for him? Now is the time but also try not to judge his decisions- he’s not out breaking the law - yes he’s trying to get some cash out of you but it could be worse, all kids are like this.

Re the card thing my eldest didn’t start buying cards until she was 19! Yes 19. It wasn’t about me though or how much she loved me, not at all.

It was about her growing up and developing a sense of responsibility towards those she cares about.

No way would I have jumped on her for it. It wasn’t worth it. What they have been shown growing up they will become.

Be patient. I would pay his phone bill - don’t ruin his credit record

He is not doing a lot wrong just wait until you have challenges with your other kids as you will.

Goldenbear · 01/03/2023 11:25

Your biggest mistake would be to listen to the advice above - won't help as it is irrelevant!

When I looked at this thread I thought the son was going to be more like 19 and heavy drug user, violent etc. I have a nearly 16 year old DS which I appreciate is a different stage to an almost 18 year old but I can't imagine my expectations of him will be hugely different in 18 months time, he gets given money by my DH to buy me a card and present and has still forgotten, my 11 year old DD on the other hand is an amazing events organiser and will often do a painting on a small canvass for me, will make a cake and decorate the sitting room on my birthday. Do you know what I can't say it is a big deal as my DS is a beautiful, emotionally intelligent boy who has attributes I admire, like he never asks for much at Christmas/birthdays as he doesn't see the point in buying stuff/objects for the sake of it and would rather have money to go out with his friends and have some food out or go to the cinema etc. Perhaps your DS does spend a bit on his GF but that's a tale as old as time, not exactly a surprise, he's young, he's having fun with her, they don't have an outlook burdened with responsibilities that people with children in their 30s and 40s do, why should they. I met my DH in my mid 20s and he spent loads of money on us, going out, going away, we rented his Mum's second home with some other friends and we owed her rent sometimes or were late with it as we were impulsive and self centred, that was early to mid 20s so to me it is a huge expectation of a 17 year old to be reasonable, rational and sensible. You are suggesting he is framing your relationship as a transaction but is he, I mean 17 year old likes money, shock horror! Also you have suggested the car for a gift, maybe he thought you started the transactional terms of reference.

Equally, he is your DS, I have been found by my DS when I have been upset it is accidental as I don't want his life burdened with most probably peri-menopausal issues- he's so sweet and will try to ask what is wrong but I have no expectation of that support he's not my DH, I don't need him to provide that kind of role in my life, well certainly not as a teen. I don't want him to be burdened, I want him to have fun as that's what the teenage years are mostly about, fun and adventure! I mean my Mum opens up to me now and will show vulnerability but I'm 44 so it is very different.

Girliefriendlikespuppies · 01/03/2023 12:22

I think you have been hard on him, you expect him to care about your feelings when he is still struggling with his own.

I probably would financially support him, at least until he was 18 but that is up to you to decide I suppose. The financial responsibility for you as his parent should not be conflated with an expectation that he will suddenly turn into the model son. He's still very young and is trying to find his way.

As a parent of teen you do have to suck up some of the behaviours knowing that they will one day come out the other side and you want them to know you didn't give up on them. I have a 17yo dd and she's put me through a lot of sleepless nights over the last few years but I would never threaten to cut her off.

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