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To cut all ties with teenage son

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NinjaBunny87 · 28/02/2023 17:43

This is likely going to be longwinded but all relevant to where things stand right now.

I was a single mum as a teenager myself, his dad cut all ties in the very early years. Attempts made over the years to make contact but was bluntly told "not interested". Had the usual battles over the year with son's behaviour which hit a real brick wall when he was around 13. By this time I'd had 2 more children with my current partner of 10 years, always played a very supportive role as a step dad and did more than his fair share in parenting battles. When my son was around 14 his dad decided to make contact and they spoke, on and off, over the phone. I supported the idea of a relationship but made it clear the effort I had made his whole life to encourage his dad, non contact was nothing to do with my actions or decisions (dad lived other end of the country). He started skipping school, being abusive at home, destructive, sometimes violent towards me. Reached out for help for myself and for him. Help provided for me was limited, son rejected literally years of battling for mental health support, refusal to engage or attend appointments etc. Eventually he was kicked out of school within his last 2 months of year 11 after repeated outbursts at staff and refusal to follow rules. By this time, he had visited his dad a couple of times, a weekend here and there and we were in support of working together to get son on the right track. Got him into college to redo poor GCSEs with the intention of finding an apprenticeship and it lasted 2 months before he was again, asked to leave for disruptive behaviour and refusal to engage in work. We spent the next 2 months in constant battles trying to figure out where to go next, further refusal to help himself or to cooperate with the rest of the family. By this time, my 2 other children were really suffering for the atmosphere in the house and with very little outside family support, we were breaking under the pressure.

As a last ditch attempt to knock some sense into him about what he was doing to his future, I spoke to his dad about the possibility of him staying with him to sort himself out, thinking that the threat might be enough to make some positive changes. Turned out he had a gf living in the same area and jumped at the chance to leave. I tried to ask him to consider all his options but realised I'd made an offer he wasn't going to refuse and between my mum and his dad, he was moved within 2 weeks. Against my wishes. We were in the process of relocating about 40 miles away for partners work and after he made the snap decision to leave, he cut all contact for 2 months. I gave him his space and it turned out to be a good decision. When we spoke again, the pressure was off our relationship not being under the same roof and he'd managed to secure himself an amazing opportunity as an apprentice with a very good company in the field of work he'd always dreamed of and for a short while, things were going well.

Fast forward to last summer and my dad unexpectedly and suddenly passed away, a week before our house move and shortly before my youngest children were starting a new school. My relationship with my eldest remained the best it had been in a long time and I feel like we really connected and supported each other through a tremendous loss. The level of grief I've experienced since losing a parent has overwhelmed me enormously and I've struggled to find myself since it happened, plans for a fresh start in a new area and kick starting a career I put on hold has been put on pause while I try and navigate my way through. I also suffer health issues and a diabetes related eating disorder, I often feel like I'm drowning in what I need to manage. Since finding out I inherited a sum of money after my dad's passing, my son has had an expectation of what I should be providing for him. I offered to help buy him a car after he passed his test, I've put money away for all 3 grandchildren. But then my eldest stopped paying his phone bill (a contract I am paying for) and started spending all of his wages on not just his gf, but his gfs family. Fine, he earns a wage but I wanted money from his grandad to go towards his future. When we didn't receive birthday cards, the visits stopped and he decided not to come home for Christmas I called him out on it. I said we felt used and forgotten and taken for granted. Yet again, son has cut me off, since the beginning of the year. I have reached out to him and when I have refused to send him money, he has blocked me once again. I've tried his gf and his dad and been met with "respect my space." Today's effort has pushed me over the edge. I feel rejected and used, he will not accept responsibility for how he's made someone else feel and trying to make him understand that, without handing over a wad of cash, is falling on deaf ears.

He turns 18 in May and based on history and knowing him inside out and back to front, I know he will suddenly decide to welcome me back with open arms as that approaches. With the expectation I will be going all out for a significant birthday. I desperately want to be a part of his life but I feel like he expects me to pay for it, that my love is measured by how much I'm willing to spend. It wouldn't sit right with me to accept this is how I need to keep him in my life, but then it doesn't sit right not being a part of his life either.

If you've got this far then thank you! Please be kind, this is genuinely tearing me up and I'm at a loss. I'm a mum first and foremost but what it's doing to my mental health is crippling and I have two other children to consider. Any advice or similar experiences would be appreciated

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NinjaBunny87 · 28/02/2023 22:25

Wow, thoroughly reading through some of these replies and some of you perfect parents out there really know how to kick a girl when she's down! I should earn his love, I've let him down, he had no chance from the start?! Clearly looking for advice rather than just shutting down when I'm struggling with how to communicate with my son, who was brought up very well loved REGARDLESS of the decision his dad chose to make, was an error on my part. I haven't given every detail, it's not possible to explain every situation we've been in for the last 18 years. As for calling my partner and two other children, his "second family" that's not how we have ever operated. His brothers adore him and my son spent years under the roof of a man who didn't father him but was damn well there as the best possible alternative he could have had. He was there at sports days, school meetings, doctors appointments, birthdays and Christmases. I came here for advice and support, not for people to "fill in the gaps" and deem me an unfit parent.

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Blueberry99 · 28/02/2023 22:25

“I would never "give up" on my son.”

But you’re asking if you are reasonable or unreasonable to cut all ties with him? That surely equates to the same thing?

Emmamoo89 · 28/02/2023 22:31

lessthanathirdofanacre · 28/02/2023 18:02

This section of your post stood out to me: The level of grief I've experienced since losing a parent has overwhelmed me enormously and I've struggled to find myself since it happened, plans for a fresh start in a new area and kick starting a career I put on hold has been put on pause while I try and navigate my way through.

Imagine the grief and pain your son would feel at losing a parent (you). And the loss would not be due to death but to your deliberate decision to cut ties with him, a choice rather than something you have no control over. That is not something that a person could recover from easily, if at all.

He's 17 years old. He needs you. Don't give up on him.

I agree with this. Grieving someone who is still alive is so much worse.

Quitelikeit · 28/02/2023 22:32

Op

you seem like a lovely caring mother believe me when I say that if indeed what you said is true then I think he will be ok. It’s a tricky time for them at this age but with your love and support in time he will make it.

That doesn’t mean you should lower your standards of respect etc at all as these boundaries are crucial for all sorts of reasons

I can tell you even if you were getting on with your son he’d still be spending every minute besotted with his girlfriend

it’s not ideal that he has moved in with her and her parents were stupid to agree to this (I’d be contacting them tbh)

NinjaBunny87 · 28/02/2023 22:35

He moved for the relationship with the gf, who he is still with. I was unaware when i made the suggestion. As for moving him from his family and friends, the move had been planned for a long time and he was part of the discussions and the decision to go, it was to a nicer area closer to my partners work. It was a family decision, initially put off because we wanted my eldest to finish secondary school first. His relationship with his step dad has always been positive, he hasn't reached out a lot since he moved away but my partner respected he needed space to build his relationship with his dad. Maybe I should rephrase cutting ties. I WANT a relationship with my son, I am struggling with the stipulations he is placing on that relationship in terms of my responsibilities towards him. Are people genuinely of the mindset that he should quit his job, refuse my help and then I should pay out £300+ monthly to cover his costs? I will say i offered to send him weekly grocery shops and he refused that help, he wanted cash.

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Quitelikeit · 28/02/2023 22:38

do not pay 300 a month at all! They should never have allowed him to move in (understandable in some scenarios ie abuse etc)

you are right to pay his phone and offer him food or he can come home to you or his dad

or he can get a job

it’s called tough love

Quitelikeit · 28/02/2023 22:39

If you paid him £300 a month he’d learn absolutely nothing about being responsible

love doesn’t pay the rent and he is just about to discover that

WomanFromTheNorth · 28/02/2023 22:42

He's only 17. He's a teenager and he's had to deal with a crap father. Don't cut him out of your life. He'll get better as he gets older. I still pay my 19 year old son's phone contract and he never buys birthday cards! Teens are pretty crap but they come round in the end.

NinjaBunny87 · 28/02/2023 22:43

Again for clarity, my issue is not that he didn't send cards or pay his phone bill or hasn't visited. My issue was that these things happened, I addressed them with him and I was shut down about how it made me feel. And his 5 and 8 year old brothers. Try explaining to 2 young children why their brother is bragging about spending 150 quid on a pair of shoes and then doesn't send them a birthday card. It's about the lack of respect or caring about how he's made other people feel. I'm not demanding his monthly wages, he offered to pay toward his phone bill in the first place and I respected him taking responsibility.

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Eyerollcentral · 28/02/2023 22:45

You need to just keep contacting him, even if you get no response. He hasn’t had an easy start in life, I am sure you have done your best and his father has come back on the scene frankly at the worst possible time when he was an adolescent. His head must have been all over the place. Like it or not he probably does feel like you have moved on with another family. If you have been with your partner for ten years there must be at least 7 or 8 years between him and his next sibling, which is a big gap. He has launched himself in to his gf’s family because they are providing him with a family. He is still very young and a lot of things appear to have gone wrong for him at a young age with difficulties at school and trying to find his way in life. His confidence must be in the gutter. He seems to have bounced from one thing to the next, he is obviously looking for stability and love. You just have to keep the lines of communication open, you are the parent. It would be a mistake to lessen contact. He needs to know you still love him and there is a place for him in your family. Maybe it would benefit you to discuss this all with a counsellor, you sound angry at him at times.

Eyerollcentral · 28/02/2023 22:48

NinjaBunny87 · 28/02/2023 22:43

Again for clarity, my issue is not that he didn't send cards or pay his phone bill or hasn't visited. My issue was that these things happened, I addressed them with him and I was shut down about how it made me feel. And his 5 and 8 year old brothers. Try explaining to 2 young children why their brother is bragging about spending 150 quid on a pair of shoes and then doesn't send them a birthday card. It's about the lack of respect or caring about how he's made other people feel. I'm not demanding his monthly wages, he offered to pay toward his phone bill in the first place and I respected him taking responsibility.

I get why you might be aggrieved about the birthday cards and feel he should have made an effort, but how do your younger children even know he is bragging about an expensive pair of trainers? I don’t know any children of 5 or 8 personally that would be upset about not getting a birthday card from an older sibling sorry. I have three older siblings and don’t think I received a birthday card from any of them until I was an adult living away from home.

NinjaBunny87 · 28/02/2023 22:53

It's more hurt than it is anger. Have I always got it right as a parent? No, of course not, show me one who has. But I've always been here. He has had stability, maybe not from his dad but he has always had stability with me. He was given an option to move away, to try something different, and he made that choice. At what point in a child's life, as a parent, do you know when to stop making all their decisions and allow them to make their own? If he had made that suggestion on his own, would I be judged now if I'd told him no?

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NinjaBunny87 · 28/02/2023 22:55

Because every year they have had a card from their brother. Last year, no card, and it did bother them.

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Cherrysoup · 28/02/2023 22:58

Yanbu but I wouldn’t be giving him any more money.

Eyerollcentral · 28/02/2023 22:59

NinjaBunny87 · 28/02/2023 22:53

It's more hurt than it is anger. Have I always got it right as a parent? No, of course not, show me one who has. But I've always been here. He has had stability, maybe not from his dad but he has always had stability with me. He was given an option to move away, to try something different, and he made that choice. At what point in a child's life, as a parent, do you know when to stop making all their decisions and allow them to make their own? If he had made that suggestion on his own, would I be judged now if I'd told him no?

I’m not judging you at all for him moving to his dad’s. Plenty of teenagers leave home at that time. I am sure you have given him stability. He is only 17. He is so young. You have very adult expectations of his behaviour. If anger is what is coming across to me reading your posts I think maybe you need to consider that your hurt is manifesting as anger.

Sobloodysoreandfedup · 28/02/2023 23:10

OP I get all of what you are saying but you don't need to "cut all ties" to just say no and have strong boundaries.

NinjaBunny87 · 28/02/2023 23:10

I think my expectations would be too high if how he treated me and his family here and how he treats others wasn't so vastly different. If he wasn't capable of being anything other than selfish I'd put it down to age and accept it for what it is! But I think if you tell someone who is capable of understanding (and he is, I know how well he does treat his gf and how wonderful he can be towards me when he chooses to) that their behaviour has caused hurt, I expect some accountability. My 5 year old understands when he does something that upsets someone else. Am I really unreasonable for expecting an almost 18 year old to at least hear me out when i say hey, that didn't make me feel great

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Sobloodysoreandfedup · 28/02/2023 23:10

SeriouslyLTB · 28/02/2023 19:04

“I love you, I will always be here for you. Take what space you want/need. There will be no more money, but all the love you ever need, no matter what you do/say.”

Exactly this.

Roundandnour · 28/02/2023 23:11

13 is a tricky age and he went through a lot. It’s normal to refuse outside help because often people think that no one can help them.

. You put this idea into his head and went for it. Out of college/work was the time for him to move on.

Was he close to his granddad?

Has he passed his driving test yet? If so did you deliver on your promise?

My son was much worse and tried to kill me when he was a young teen. Obviously his move wasn’t planned at all. I still maintained contact with him. I still supported him financially because well he was a child still. His dad never made contact so was already feeling that rejection.

Je never sent his siblings anything. I didn’t make a thing about it. We still called and saw him around his birthdays, Christmas etc. And although he no longer lived here he was still seen as part of the family and always welcome here (yes honesty).

Don’t give up on him. Support him financially until he’s either an adult or out of education if he returns back in some way. Let him know the door is always open. Call him regularly. If he doesn’t answer, send a text letting him know you’re thinking of him, what his siblings are up to etc. keep him involved.

Expalin to him that you cannot afford to give him 300. If he’s broke he needs to go and sign on with UC (he’s not living with either parents so should qualify). That aside from the car money, you have put a bit aside in a trust that cannot be used until he’s 25, and do this for all of the dc’s.

The past is just that. It cannot be changed. There’s no point constantly dredging it up. Ask him about his future life and what he sees. Ask him to think about what happens if you did meet his financial expectations and the money stops.

Eyerollcentral · 28/02/2023 23:13

NinjaBunny87 · 28/02/2023 23:10

I think my expectations would be too high if how he treated me and his family here and how he treats others wasn't so vastly different. If he wasn't capable of being anything other than selfish I'd put it down to age and accept it for what it is! But I think if you tell someone who is capable of understanding (and he is, I know how well he does treat his gf and how wonderful he can be towards me when he chooses to) that their behaviour has caused hurt, I expect some accountability. My 5 year old understands when he does something that upsets someone else. Am I really unreasonable for expecting an almost 18 year old to at least hear me out when i say hey, that didn't make me feel great

You are of course allowed to say that to him. But he is 18 and he isn’t interested in hearing it at the moment or can’t cope with letting you down again.

Hollyhocksandlarkspur · 28/02/2023 23:31

I’m so sorry OP it sounds very painful as a loving mother to be treated like this by your son. I agree with the PPs who say no money (his choice to move from free rent) and stop paying for phone as he’s earning a wage and is an adult almost.

But the PP who talked about really deeply listening without interrupting or being defensive to what he really wants from your relationship might get you beyond the focus on money. He obviously has some deep seated issues (school behaviour, horrible to you etc) and it’s the only way to really build a more meaningful adult to adult relationship with him I believe. I really wish you well.

NinjaBunny87 · 28/02/2023 23:32

I really appreciate the sensible advice and will completely disregard comments that negatively fill in the gaps. I'm not questioning my parenting, I'm questioning how I navigate a relationship with someone I love that seems dependent on how much I'm willing to pay for it. Regardless of how he reacts, I constantly tell him I love him and how proud we all are of how far he has come. And he has come a long way in his own life, I am just struggling with navigating the relationship he's willing to have with me as a parent who cares. Possibly the loss of my own parent has made me more aware of how important a relationship that is to have in your life. I'm 35, I didn't expect to lose a parent at my age and I miss my boy. My focus has been on the negatives but when things are good between us, we are close. We talk and we laugh and we open up to each other and we enjoy the relationship. I don't want that to be dependent on money. There is money set aside for him, for all of them, I just don't want to feel like that's all I'm good for.

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KeanuKenunu · 28/02/2023 23:34

Mothers are often judged harshly and it isn't fair. I'm sure you are doing your best. I have a son the same age. I always believe there is a reason for bad behaviour. It usually says that the child is struggling with something. For example, what about his relationship with his gf. Is it a good one? Does she make him feel happy or not? Has he any worries around that. If there is any way of understanding him a bit more and hearing about how he is feeling - about life, about his job - that is the way to go. What was the real reason he stuggled to work at school. Was anything missed. How does he feel about that etc? How's it going with his friends? Are they all getting on? It can seem impossible but if you get a breakthrough, you may be surprised what you hear about his life and any challenges he is having which you can then help with. I would definitely let him know you are his rock and foundation whatever the circumstances and that you will always be there for him even if he isn't being kind to you. Go for a walk with him or a car journey - that's where they talk. In the end, if you do that he'll probably tell you that his Dad doesn't know him at all. Yet, you will have been there being the great Mum that you are...

SammyScrounge · 28/02/2023 23:39

lessthanathirdofanacre · 28/02/2023 18:02

This section of your post stood out to me: The level of grief I've experienced since losing a parent has overwhelmed me enormously and I've struggled to find myself since it happened, plans for a fresh start in a new area and kick starting a career I put on hold has been put on pause while I try and navigate my way through.

Imagine the grief and pain your son would feel at losing a parent (you). And the loss would not be due to death but to your deliberate decision to cut ties with him, a choice rather than something you have no control over. That is not something that a person could recover from easily, if at all.

He's 17 years old. He needs you. Don't give up on him.

At 17, the boy is old enough to be supportive
of his mother at a very difficult time but he is more interested in emotionally manipulating his mother. He must not be allowed to gain from this. Let him hang as he grows.

Eyerollcentral · 28/02/2023 23:42

SammyScrounge · 28/02/2023 23:39

At 17, the boy is old enough to be supportive
of his mother at a very difficult time but he is more interested in emotionally manipulating his mother. He must not be allowed to gain from this. Let him hang as he grows.

This is particularly harsh, especially as the OP has added her parent has died, also this boy’s grandparent. That seems to have been lost here. A lot of teenagers have their hand out constantly and frankly aren’t necessarily mature enough to really appreciate the impact of their selfish behaviour.