Quran School Incident

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The reaction to this non-incident is shameful. We're effectively charging this poor autistic boy with blasphemy and his mother is begging for his life.

I didn't say you did, at least not intentionally. The "you" in my final paragraph was a collective you i.e., if anyone thinks they can harass or attack someone for offending them they can fuck off. Apologies if that was not clear.

I think we are broadly arguing the same point tbh, the only difference appears to be around significance. I don't see mass produced copies of the Quran as anymore significant than a mass produced print of the Mona Lisa and don't believe any Muslim should be offended if one is damaged deliberately or otherwise (unless it's their own personal copy).

It's obvious they brought it in to kick around in front of Muslim kids to upset them

Is It? Were you there?

If your post wasn’t a response to me then why did you reply to my post in order to say it?

the mother doesn't want to press charges or make a complaint.

Presumably because she is already terrified by the death threats against her son, and doesn't dare do anything that will further enrage his attackers.

And anyone who thinks this doesn't matter is helping religious zealots bring back the law against blasphemy by the back door.

UdoU, anyone should be free to make fun of anyone without 'consequences'. Free speech includes having the right to offend other people, and they have the right to offend you and me. Every alternative to free speech is worse than free speech itself.

The first part of the post was in response to your previous post. The final part was a more broad point in general.

When I said if "you" believe X, Y or Z you can fuck off I was using "you" as a general term and not trying to imply that "you - the poster Sqqueeeeeeee" believed X, Y or Z.

I should have said if "anybody believes X, Y, or Z they can fuck off.

I’m sorry but no. No part of your post responded to what I said and every part implied that I had said something I hadn’t said.

I’m sorry but no. No part of your post responded to what I said and every part implied that I had said something I hadn’t said.

My point was that people here are only pretending to not understand why it’s offensive. Your post doesn’t respond or relate to that.

I'm not aware of anyone making fun of Muslim kids. Ultimately it's a book, would the same thing have happened if something happened to a Bible or Torah?

No one deserves death threats over incidents like this.

That being said, the story doesn't add up. I seriously doubt the incident is as innocent and small as the school are trying to make it sound. It probably isn't as bad as to actually need police involvement either, unless they were only there because of the threats and tensions building up.

Yes, of course it bloody well would.

Not a chance

I remember the state the bibles were in back when I took religious studies at school. Graffiti and pages ripped.

I remember the state the bibles were in back when I took religious studies at school. Graffiti and pages ripped

The pages about tits in the Song of Solomon were quite well-thumbed at ours. A herd of gazelles iirc - load of guff, but titillating to teen boys apparently.

Really? Now who's making things up?

Let's have a quick recap. You listed a bunch one-off culturally / historically significant works of literature or art, talked about damaging those specifc works deliberately and likened it to damaging a mass produced copy of the Quran.

I disagreed with this and instead said it was more akin damaging a mass produced copy of one of those works of art / literature and that a similar level of offense should be taken.

You countered and said that all Quran's are significant to Muslims and so damaging any old Quran is equally offensive and will provoke or offend.

I countered again saying I don't believe any old Quran is as significant as a truly sacred one off item (or at least shouldn't be), you got sidetracked by my use of the word "you" at the end of a post and here we are.

To bring us back on topic. I do not believe that damaging or disrespecting a Quran should provoke the same level of offense or anger as damaging a truly significant item. For example, if I were to damage the Shroud of Turin I would expect backlash (but not violence), if I were to damage a tea towel copy of the Shroud of Turin I would expect people be non-plussed.

It was not immediate nor ostentatious and it was more akin to being given a promotional booklet than a gift.

Whereas @MadamArcati99 using a version of the R word to describe the actions of others, shows how enlightened you are.

I’ve reported your post.

Thank you Hermione. Dd & Ds have both had the r word used at them as have many autistic people.

You do realise that’s not an accurate representation of the conversation that took place.

Really?
You think that?
They publish children's editions of the bible with cartoon illustrations, children then scribble all over them.

Something along the lines of the Quran being less significant when not in Arabic?

that’s not a thing

I was ashamed and angry at what they did to the poor mum making her wear a scarf and begging for forgiveness, just downright humiliation and bullying, detective inspector, councillor, Iman and
headmaster, as someone on TV tonight said they all need binning, shariah law by the back door - what's going on in British schools - grrrrr

I think this is quite the moral framework for a lot of users on this site.

twitter.com/jessgill03/status/1630312286190542851?s=20

And as a brown, ex Muslim (even though I should not need to do that qualifier), I do not believe in in any way this was an appropriate response, anyone even trying to justify or downplay it is a reason to why the teacher from Batley has had to basically go into hiding, but knowing MN that will be justified.

No one made her do anything. It’s customary to wear a scarf at the mosque, there is no force involved.

Stop causing division and hate.

Yes, I’m sure the Muslim kids felt really supported when the Quran was kicked around in front of them by white kids.