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To think this round of teacher strikes have barely been noticed?

233 replies

Crunchymunchies · 28/02/2023 13:02

I know it’s regional, but I can’t find a thread here, only a brief mention on the BBC and even the daily mail it is way down.

is this a bad or good sign?

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MistressIggi · 01/03/2023 12:36

FourTeaFallOut · 01/03/2023 12:29

I thought most teachers who are protesting are doing so away from the school gates? There haven't been any picket lines outside of school gates here. So once you have demonstrated your feelings to the teachers who are working in your school and the school kids, the vulnerable ones who are invited in and the ones studying for exams, are you just going home?

Nice try. I'm in Scotland and replying to a post about a picket line in Scotland. There are no children coming in the building.
Pickets are held outside your workplace (and members of the public will see them if it's a busy place) but they aren't the same as rallies.
As to what we do afterwards - well no one is paying me anything today so what I do is up to me.

Nowhereelsetogo90 · 01/03/2023 12:36

@FourTeaFallOut not every region has open schools, every school in my local authority is closed yesterday and today which is why we are picketing the gates. Maybe @MistressIggi is the same.

Nellodee · 01/03/2023 12:41

As far as I understand it, the argument goes that it’s private sector pay rises that push up inflation, not public sector ones. Either way, there’sa lot of wiggle room between the current offer and an inflation busting one. It could be funded, and not out of school budgets as well.
But well done to the posts saying that it’s teachers screwing over mums at the school gate. Your billionaire overlords will appreciate your support.

FourTeaFallOut · 01/03/2023 12:42

Give over with your nice try gibe. When you said the purpose of the picket was to prevent staff from entering the building and then it was job done, it wasn't clear there were no children in the building.

KievsOutTheOven · 01/03/2023 12:42

Firstofmarch · 01/03/2023 12:10

I feel like I’m protesting against the whole fucking set up. We need to kick these bastards out of government.

But you aren't kicking the government. Do you think Rishi gives a shit if you turn up to work or not?

You're kicking the care workers, the checkout assistants at Tesco, the self employed, the factory workers and the nursery nurses, who won't get paid if they don't show up.

That is who you are delivering a swift kick too. And they will not lobby their MP and complain and say "give these poor teachers more money as their strike has disrupted my life." They will stand in discontent crowds at drop off and pick up, they will mutter on WhatsApp and Facebook, their sympathy is not with you.

The thing is, teachers are also parents, they also are impacted by the strikes - for example, my kids school strikes on different days than mine, except I am physically not able to take a day off to cover it as we don’t have “holidays” in the way that other employees do, and parental leave policy does not apply as it is a “planned” closure (ie we knew about it so it’s on us to work out childcare)

Teachers are also not paid when they are on strike, and teachers are financially struggling too. Hence why we are striking.

Teachers don’t want to be on strike, but their pay has been cut by 24% in the past 15 years. In the same time, the workload has grown exponentially, to the point that I’m working over double my contracted hours most weeks. Often this means that I’m earning less than national minimum wage for each hour I work.

And before someone says it. No, we don’t HAVE to do that. We could regurgitate five year old lessons and we could not differentiate work for the increasing number of children who need it. We could leave our classroom walls blank. We could not read up on strategies for managing various learning barriers we have in class. We could not try and make our lessons engaging in the hope that it minimises the constant stream of low-level behaviour. We could not try to minimise the wealth divide in our classroom by organising supported study.

However, the only people that would suffer would be the children. We are striking because what we are doing now is untenable, especially for what we are paid.

We completely accept that we are fairly well paid in comparison to others (in terms of salary) and most teachers support strikes in other sectors too. Yet the narrative is constantly “lazy teachers work 9-3 and get 11 billion weeks of holiday, what about the poor …”

We have the power to strike over our own pay and conditions; teachers getting fairly compensated for their work sets the precedent for others to get a wage rise too.

The argument that “paying teachers 10% will drive up inflation” is a red herring. Less than 1% of the population of Scotland is a teacher. There are around 54,000 FTE teachers.

Lets assume that all of them are at the top of the pay scale, and there are no promoted teachers which is absolutely not true, but probably works out to a similar wage bill. this means teachers in Scotland cost £2,268,000,000 PA in a wage bill. (That’s 2.2 billion) against a budget of 4.1 billion for education, and a total budget of 56.5 billion against approx 50 billion spending.

The 10% pay rise amounts to approx £226,800,000. Which is a lot of money on a personal level, but when speaking about a country as a whole, it’s not much.

Nellodee · 01/03/2023 12:43

Seriously, how naive do you have to be to think millionaire public school boys want the best for state education and is those pesky selfish teachers who are fucking the kids over?

Nowhereelsetogo90 · 01/03/2023 12:43

@Nellodee billionaire overloads has made this thread for me 😅

For the people championing these vulnerable children that they so want to help and believe we are ruining their lives by striking, teacher recruitment was down 27%, I believe, this year.

Post Grad only takes 9 months, the Teach First program through your local authority can have you earning a salary in less than six months. If we earn as much for doing as little as some of you think, we should be turning you away really.

FourTeaFallOut · 01/03/2023 12:45

Nowhereelsetogo90 · 01/03/2023 12:36

@FourTeaFallOut not every region has open schools, every school in my local authority is closed yesterday and today which is why we are picketing the gates. Maybe @MistressIggi is the same.

This is reasonable. I think we're schools are closed it makes sense to protest outside of the place of work.

Nellodee · 01/03/2023 12:45

I am, I will admit, on one a teensy bit today.

KievsOutTheOven · 01/03/2023 12:50

FourTeaFallOut · 01/03/2023 12:42

Give over with your nice try gibe. When you said the purpose of the picket was to prevent staff from entering the building and then it was job done, it wasn't clear there were no children in the building.

It was crystal clear given that the poster specifically mentioned being in Scotland and it’s well publicised (even on this post) that every school in the whole country is closed yesterday and today.

Pickets have two purposes - one, to raise awareness, and two, to discourage staff from entering. It’s all very amicable though; non striking staff (ie non teachers, and any teacher not striking for any reason) enter the building freely. It’s not aggressive teachers yelling “scab!” And throwing cups of tea over their colleagues 😂

Nowhereelsetogo90 · 01/03/2023 12:52

@KievsOutTheOven maybe next month 😉😅

KievsOutTheOven · 01/03/2023 12:55

Anyway, those who are on strike, are you enjoying your day?

Im doing some working from home (I know, I know! But it means I won’t have to stay late later in the week) but also sorting world book day costumes.

MistressIggi · 01/03/2023 12:55

No one is muttering on my dc's WhatsApp or Facebook group. There'll always be niggles here and there, but ime most teachers respect the work their children's teachers do.

Nowhereelsetogo90 · 01/03/2023 12:57

@KievsOutTheOven I came off the picket line and back to bed! Yesterday I took DSD and the dog for a hike though so am embracing the lazy day! Good luck with the WBD - DSD is going in pyjamas this year as per school request and we are fucking delighted! 🫣😂

Nellodee · 01/03/2023 13:00

I’ve ranted on here, painted my nails black for world book day (I’m going as miss hardbroom, though I’m not really the right shape!), done a big pile of washing up my husband would usually do, and written a guide for year 13s teaching them when to use binomial or normal distribution (naughty me!)

Yazo · 01/03/2023 13:01

@Nowhereelsetogo90 people choose to earn less money than teach, I do, I'd earn more as a teacher and have longer holidays (whether I'd spend part of them working or not) but for me it's the culture of teaching that I wouldn't enjoy. The hierarchies, the bitching, the politics inside a school, the environment of working with people who on the whole haven't experienced a lot of different workplaces. Many teachers in alternative settings love their jobs because there is less of the above and more time with the kids. Also I don't really get why there are so many extras, world book day, community events, bakes sales for local residents not to mention spending two terms preparing for Christmas events not organised by ptfa but in school. Surely that would free up time and energy for teaching and getting home at the end of the day?

Meandfour · 01/03/2023 13:03

Plumbear2 · 28/02/2023 13:09

There was a very short announcement on local news. But it's the Northern half of the country, you can bet it will have alot more coverage when it's the southern half 🙄

Our region was supposed to be striking yesterday. No schools round us had classes off.

Nellodee · 01/03/2023 13:04

Wow, taxi. You hid more digs in there than I manage to get veggies in my spag Bol!

Yazo · 01/03/2023 13:04

@Heytheredaisy you're right you don't need many qualifications but I know lots of ex teachers working as TAs because they don't need the money or stress. It works well for them individually but makes it harder for TAs that are less qualified and with fewer options I think as they're more in the firing line.

Nellodee · 01/03/2023 13:04

Yazo not taxi!

Nellodee · 01/03/2023 13:05

“I could earn more as a teacher, but I think they’re a bunch of twats” summarises it nicely, I think.

Nowhereelsetogo90 · 01/03/2023 13:08

@Yazo that’s a lot of assumptions about schools and teachers without ever having been one/worked in one! And lots of the extras you
mentioned are due to pressure from parents to have the bloody stupid things. I can think of plenty teachers who would rather be teaching than rehearsing yet another Christmas singalong.

Yazo · 01/03/2023 13:08

@Nellodee I think I'd say toxic working environment not all because of the government would be more accurate.

Nowhereelsetogo90 · 01/03/2023 13:09

@yazo did you have a horrible school experience or something?? I’ve worked in multiple schools and none of them were any more toxic than any other work environment. Then again I wouldn’t know because you’ve decided that as a teacher I’ve never had another job…

MistressIggi · 01/03/2023 13:13

I cannot describe my dc's excitement about WBD.