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To think this round of teacher strikes have barely been noticed?

233 replies

Crunchymunchies · 28/02/2023 13:02

I know it’s regional, but I can’t find a thread here, only a brief mention on the BBC and even the daily mail it is way down.

is this a bad or good sign?

OP posts:
KievsOutTheOven · 01/03/2023 00:01

Justdontbejudgy · 28/02/2023 23:57

I'd also add that Scotland is a country not a region.

I’m sure someone with the screen name “weebarra” knows exactly what Scotland is.

Generally, Scottish people call the BBC or ITV “national news” and then watch “regional news” on STV or BBC Scotland, specific to their region of Scotland - my regional news is Glasgow; not Scotland.

Justdontbejudgy · 01/03/2023 00:04

KievsOutTheOven · 01/03/2023 00:01

I’m sure someone with the screen name “weebarra” knows exactly what Scotland is.

Generally, Scottish people call the BBC or ITV “national news” and then watch “regional news” on STV or BBC Scotland, specific to their region of Scotland - my regional news is Glasgow; not Scotland.

I was referring to the OP who started with the ' I know it's regional '.

There are also planned regional (linked to certain MSP constituencies ) in Scotland.

Sarahcoggles · 01/03/2023 00:14

I think since Covid we all sort of expect things to not go as planned.
So when schools close, post isn't delivered, trains don't run, customer service phone lines don't answer, hospital appointments are cancelled etc, we just grumble a little bit and make alternative arrangements.
I think striking won't have the same impact as it used to, until Covid is a distant memory and we all start expecting things to go smoothly again.

KievsOutTheOven · 01/03/2023 00:15

Justdontbejudgy · 01/03/2023 00:04

I was referring to the OP who started with the ' I know it's regional '.

There are also planned regional (linked to certain MSP constituencies ) in Scotland.

That doesn’t quite come across in the fact you quoted the “weebarra” poster in your reply - so it seems we are agreeing.

Regional what? Strikes? Because yes there is; I’ve not personally been involved in those but I do believe it may escalate to “target” more people. I believe the hope is that parent lobby their MSP to being a strike to an end. I’m going to withhold comment as their is a clear party line in this instance and it’s in everyone in the unions best interests we toe it.

KievsOutTheOven · 01/03/2023 00:16

Sarahcoggles · 01/03/2023 00:14

I think since Covid we all sort of expect things to not go as planned.
So when schools close, post isn't delivered, trains don't run, customer service phone lines don't answer, hospital appointments are cancelled etc, we just grumble a little bit and make alternative arrangements.
I think striking won't have the same impact as it used to, until Covid is a distant memory and we all start expecting things to go smoothly again.

You are right; but what is the alternative to marking your kids exam?

MistressIggi · 01/03/2023 00:17

IMO striking has more of an impact on parents than kids. Working to rule would have the opposite effect. I would prefer not to have a more negative impact on children if I can avoid it.

Justdontbejudgy · 01/03/2023 00:20

KievsOutTheOven · 01/03/2023 00:15

That doesn’t quite come across in the fact you quoted the “weebarra” poster in your reply - so it seems we are agreeing.

Regional what? Strikes? Because yes there is; I’ve not personally been involved in those but I do believe it may escalate to “target” more people. I believe the hope is that parent lobby their MSP to being a strike to an end. I’m going to withhold comment as their is a clear party line in this instance and it’s in everyone in the unions best interests we toe it.

I suppose I was just adding to their response.
Yes, strikes in certain constituencies so regional in Scotland.
My original comment is more about Scotland being classified as a region in the UK like Yorkshire rather than a country with its own legal and education systems.

KievsOutTheOven · 01/03/2023 00:23

MistressIggi · 01/03/2023 00:17

IMO striking has more of an impact on parents than kids. Working to rule would have the opposite effect. I would prefer not to have a more negative impact on children if I can avoid it.

This is my stance too. My job is first and foremost to teach children the required knowledge and skill in mg subject to succeed.

By striking; they are losing 12-24(ish) hours of my time each month; and the council are gaining by not paying me £180 for every 6 hours I don’t show up.

By working to rule; they will lose 20+ hours of my labour (if I worked full time) per week, so 160h per week, and they still need to pay me my full wage.

Work to rule is an escalation.

KievsOutTheOven · 01/03/2023 00:24

Justdontbejudgy · 01/03/2023 00:20

I suppose I was just adding to their response.
Yes, strikes in certain constituencies so regional in Scotland.
My original comment is more about Scotland being classified as a region in the UK like Yorkshire rather than a country with its own legal and education systems.

I totally agree. I even had someone (who is on this post, by the way) tell me how many GCSE’s I needed to teach in Scotland 🤣

Mammyloveswine · 01/03/2023 00:33

I am a teacher.. the rally in newcastle was well attended and made the local news!

I cannot afford to strike all THREE days this month.., it's over £300 down from my pay for April which has the kids off for 2 weeks..

I WILL strike but it's going to hit me hard so I'm not doing it lightly!

Almost everyone I know supports the strikes, the only ones that don't are tories or those that don't understand the point of strikes/why they cause inconvenience...

Justdontbejudgy · 01/03/2023 00:36

KievsOutTheOven · 01/03/2023 00:24

I totally agree. I even had someone (who is on this post, by the way) tell me how many GCSE’s I needed to teach in Scotland 🤣

🙄🙄

KievsOutTheOven · 01/03/2023 00:40

Mammyloveswine · 01/03/2023 00:33

I am a teacher.. the rally in newcastle was well attended and made the local news!

I cannot afford to strike all THREE days this month.., it's over £300 down from my pay for April which has the kids off for 2 weeks..

I WILL strike but it's going to hit me hard so I'm not doing it lightly!

Almost everyone I know supports the strikes, the only ones that don't are tories or those that don't understand the point of strikes/why they cause inconvenience...

I don’t know what union you are a
member of, but mine has a hardship fund for those who can’t afford to strike. It’s not equivalent of a days wage; but it does help. I’m applying as I won’t be able to continue striking without it.

Nightlystroll · 01/03/2023 00:43

I didn't even know they were striking. So many strikes that you start to lose interest.

Mammyloveswine · 01/03/2023 00:44

@Justdontbejudgy I looked and don't think I'll qualify...

Mammyloveswine · 01/03/2023 00:45

Sorry @JustFrustrated accidentally quoted you!

Mammyloveswine · 01/03/2023 00:46

Omg the app tonight!!!

@Justdontbejudgy apologies I accidentally replied to you!

Mammyloveswine · 01/03/2023 00:46

@JustFrustrated apologies again I accidentally clicked your name by mistake!

Mammyloveswine · 01/03/2023 00:48

@KievsOutTheOven I did look but I don't think I'll qualify...

Sarahcoggles · 01/03/2023 00:50

@KievsOutTheOven the alternative to having exams marked would be not doing exams.

I'm not saying I don't support strikes or that I'm not bothered either way. I was simply saying that my interpretation of the reason the reporting is minimal is that disruption to life is not the rare and frightening experience it used to be.

Covid has shown us that our lives as we knew them could be whisked away from us in the blink of an eye, and it has desensitised us all somewhat. We still hate disruption as much as ever, but we've been forced to adopt a "keep calm and carry on" approach, otherwise we'd all have gone crazy in the last 3 years!

Don't get me wrong, I'm not minimising the National disaster that the teaching profession is facing. It scares the hell out of me. I'm just saying that closures don't sell newspapers any more so the media don't report it as much.

Justdontbejudgy · 01/03/2023 00:51

Mammyloveswine · 01/03/2023 00:46

Omg the app tonight!!!

@Justdontbejudgy apologies I accidentally replied to you!

That's ok...Hope you can get something sorted. #solidarity

KievsOutTheOven · 01/03/2023 00:54

Mammyloveswine · 01/03/2023 00:48

@KievsOutTheOven I did look but I don't think I'll qualify...

No harm in applying - I think they are unite flexible. In my union they seem to have a separate pot for each strike day and it looks like they are allocating it on a needs basis. Each round of strikes has a different form. In sure if you explain you’ll need to break strike to pay bills; they might help.

Mammyloveswine · 01/03/2023 00:57

@KievsOutTheOven im the NEU... NASUWT didn't vote to strike they are traditionally the non striking teaching union so I shouldn't be mad.

Mammyloveswine · 01/03/2023 00:58

@KievsOutTheOven I'll have a look though!

KievsOutTheOven · 01/03/2023 00:58

Sarahcoggles · 01/03/2023 00:50

@KievsOutTheOven the alternative to having exams marked would be not doing exams.

I'm not saying I don't support strikes or that I'm not bothered either way. I was simply saying that my interpretation of the reason the reporting is minimal is that disruption to life is not the rare and frightening experience it used to be.

Covid has shown us that our lives as we knew them could be whisked away from us in the blink of an eye, and it has desensitised us all somewhat. We still hate disruption as much as ever, but we've been forced to adopt a "keep calm and carry on" approach, otherwise we'd all have gone crazy in the last 3 years!

Don't get me wrong, I'm not minimising the National disaster that the teaching profession is facing. It scares the hell out of me. I'm just saying that closures don't sell newspapers any more so the media don't report it as much.

And how do they decide who gets into uni and who doesn’t?

when the exams didn’t go ahead due to covid; there was a horrendous workload issue for teachers, in having to gather information, attend standardisation training, moderate marking, and so on. It was more work than what I normally undertake marking the actual exam; except when I mark the exam I get paid by the SQA - I didn’t get any extra for this extra work which was done over and above my normal teaching commitments.

If the teachers are working to rule, who is going to report on the pupils progress? Not the teachers.

KievsOutTheOven · 01/03/2023 00:59

Mammyloveswine · 01/03/2023 00:57

@KievsOutTheOven im the NEU... NASUWT didn't vote to strike they are traditionally the non striking teaching union so I shouldn't be mad.

Definitely have a look. I’m in EIS so it’s obviously different but their protocols seem pretty standard.