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AIBU unreasonable to expect him to come home from abroad and set up life here instead of there

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Scotblue · 27/02/2023 14:33

I am going to be honest in this. It might be triggering for some.

My mother was overbearing to my brother.
She was overly invested in him even when he was well into adulthood. She pitied him for being male and she did everything for him.
If the two of us got sick or broke, she only ever really cared for him.

She did everything for him - cooking and cleaning and paying bills and allowed everything free with no consequences.
He took advantage of that.
He became rude and obnoxious. He had girlfriend at one stage. My mother never left her true feelings known to him but I knew then. I saw it in her face that would stew every time he brought her home. She hated the girlfriend.
I think my mother saw her as a threat.
He was bad at one point with his drinking/drugs. He used to drive home in a state and not even know his name or where is phone was or where his car keys were even though he drove his vehicle home.
My mother always blamed the girlfriend for him and his bad way even though I never saw her in a bad way. She just refused to believe that he was responsible for himself. Eventually he lost his girlfriend and his job. I knew then, it was an addiction he had.

Eventually he got a chance to get a visa and go away abroad.

Since he left my mother hasn't been the same. She's pining for him. She does things aimlessly around the home.
For example she was wiping shoes with baby wipes then she took a pile of used baby wipes and wiped the counters down with the same baby wipes before wiping the the outside and the inside of some of the kitchen appliances with the same wipes. I just thought it was fairly mindless.

Even before he left I had suspicions that maybe she was going senile.
There was a few things happening that wasn't quite right with her. Aside from her obsession with my brother there was a few things not quite right. I think maybe there was something happening like the possibility of a dementia brewing for a long time but maybe she was living her life through my brother and it wasn't seen or observed a few years ago because her focus was on him. I remember an incident a few years ago from her.
I received an email from my aunt - her sister who lives abroad.
Work had me booked for a stint but when I became free I did tell my mother about the email from the aunt. She lost the plot at me. She was shouting and raging and fuming because I got an email from the aunt and in her words I didn't tell her but thats not what happened. I did tell her when I was free to do it. It wasn't on the exact minute the email came in but she was told about the email.
It was unreasonable.

I let my brother know last summer that there were things happening at home and our mother wasn't behaving normally for the past few months and I told them that I am not qualified to diagnosis but it looks to me maybe it's some form of a dementia brewing with her.
At this stage I would put money on a dementia happening with our mother but she's not too far gone down the rabbit hole a dementia progression.

My brother is talking about gaining sponsorship from his employer abroad.
I know I should be happy for him but to be honest I am somewhat resentful of it.
I think it's only a matter of time before things will progress with our mother. I think it's unfair that the load of caring will fall on me by default because I am still at home. I think it should be shared between us.
I think he could set up a life at home for himself and he doesn't need to move across the world for work. There were opportunities available at home at the time if he choose to seek them out but he choose something different and a life of drink and drugs at the time.

I know my mother isn't too far deep in this suspicion of a dementia just yet but I think it's happening. There was an incident yesterday at home and I realise now that I won't be able to care for her.
She has no Internet skills and she decided she wanted me to help her with some internet shopping.
I told her that I wasn't able to do it today (as in yesterday).
I was sick and I didn't have the money in my account either. Usually when I help her with the Internet shopping like that, the process can take hours.
I would have been looking at 4 or 5 hours yesterday.
I was too unwell to do Internet shopping for her.
The stuff she wanted wasn't urgent.
I was telling her I will help her but will be mid week.
She wasn't able to understand it. She wasn't able to tolerate a 'no'. She was shouting and being rude and disrespectful to me and it reminded me of a temper tantrum from a toddler.
It dawned on me then. She wasn't able to be reasoned with and it's just something else to add to the suspension of dementia.

My brother doesn't believe me when I am talking and trying to raise awareness that there's something happening.
He says she sounds fine on the phone whenever he calls.

AIBU to expect him to come home. Not now but maybe do another year on the visa and then return home and share the load of any of the caring work.

There was an incident last week where it my mother wants to sign the family home over to my brother.
This is just quite simply sickening to me. There will likely come a time where she will need more care and I will probably be expected to do it all while I get nothing in return except for grief. I get a sense she doesn't appreciate it me at home. Even though I am providing company and help. She had no respect for me yesterday and it was rich considering she wanted me to spend my money on her wants. All she wants is my brother.

OP posts:
monitor1 · 27/02/2023 14:38

Your brother doesn't have to care for her. You don't have to care for her. Ring her GP, let them know that you have concerns about dementia and her being unable to care for herself and that there are no family members who can help. Ask for a social services referral.

KettrickenSmiled · 27/02/2023 14:39

Even if your brother came back home (UK?) it's patently obvious that he would not provide any care for your mother.

If your mother decides to sign her house over to him & cut you ouyt entirely, there is nothing you can do to prevent that.

These are harsh, horrible facts for you to have to face.
But they ARE facts, so you would be better off not investing too much of your own life into caring for your mother. Your mental health might be best served by distancing yourself from her, & forgetting about your deadbeat brother. Flowers

Aprilx · 27/02/2023 14:47

You cannot tell or expect you adult brother to live in a particular place or live his life in a particular way. All you can control is what you do.

MamOfFive · 27/02/2023 14:50

YABU. You can't demand your brother comes home, he's an adult and he has his own life.

icelolly12 · 27/02/2023 14:50

Your brother is finally independent why would you want to make him dependent again?

whumpthereitis · 27/02/2023 15:01

It is unreasonable to expect him to come ‘home’. He can choose not to be involved with providing care, as can you. You may feel obliged to take it on, but you don’t have to. Your choosing to does not oblige him to do the same.

Scotblue · 27/02/2023 15:13

whumpthereitis · 27/02/2023 15:01

It is unreasonable to expect him to come ‘home’. He can choose not to be involved with providing care, as can you. You may feel obliged to take it on, but you don’t have to. Your choosing to does not oblige him to do the same.

I definitely don't want to provide care to her. I feel maybe I am in a place where I might be expected to do it out of default of being home.

My mother doesn't respect women and views them in a bad way. She doesn't want me caring for her either. She didn't say it.

The only other option then, when he does need care if for her to go into a home. But as far as I know there is a payment scheme where the family home is used for the payment of nursing home care. I don't want to see the family home go either.

Then there is a whole entire other mess. I will never get one penny in any inheritance from her because everything will be left to her favourite. Why should I provide care to someone who doesn't respect me and I will never get anything in return. Just grief.

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Scotblue · 27/02/2023 15:16

I know another family. The mother is now nearly 80. All the siblings take it in turn to help. Even the siblings who are living abroad. They come home once or twice a year. The siblings closer to home all help with appointments.

I thought maybe my sibling could set up life close to home and help me. That's all. He doesn't even need to be full time.

The idea of caring for my mother who won't even appreciate me and not even getting a weeks respite kills me with sick.

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Nomoreno · 27/02/2023 15:19

Your brother made choices. His choice was to move away.

You also made choices. Your choice was to live at home.

Deal with your choice or make a different one.

Ponderingwindow · 27/02/2023 15:20

Deciding how much care to provide an aging parent is an incredibly personal decision. You can’t place demands on your brother. All you can do is make your own choices and set your own limits.

your efforts may be better spent getting her a medical evaluation and researching support options now before things are urgent.

Aprilx · 27/02/2023 15:22

Scotblue · 27/02/2023 15:13

I definitely don't want to provide care to her. I feel maybe I am in a place where I might be expected to do it out of default of being home.

My mother doesn't respect women and views them in a bad way. She doesn't want me caring for her either. She didn't say it.

The only other option then, when he does need care if for her to go into a home. But as far as I know there is a payment scheme where the family home is used for the payment of nursing home care. I don't want to see the family home go either.

Then there is a whole entire other mess. I will never get one penny in any inheritance from her because everything will be left to her favourite. Why should I provide care to someone who doesn't respect me and I will never get anything in return. Just grief.

This is just a fact of life, we are expected to pay for our own care when we are able to do so. Taxpayers cannot be expected to pay for care just so some more privileged people get an inheritance.

Anyway if you are so sure you will not inherit anyway, it won’t even impact you whether her house being used for care fees and your brother can make his own choice.

Borris · 27/02/2023 15:26

I’d let the family home be sold for her care when the time comes. It sounds like you wouldn’t be benefiting from keeping it in the family, even if you did all the care.

Scotblue · 27/02/2023 15:28

Ponderingwindow · 27/02/2023 15:20

Deciding how much care to provide an aging parent is an incredibly personal decision. You can’t place demands on your brother. All you can do is make your own choices and set your own limits.

your efforts may be better spent getting her a medical evaluation and researching support options now before things are urgent.

Unfortunately I made no progress with her/our GP. I discussed my observations with my GP last summer but there is mo progress.

She's not in a place where she needs care as of yet but I feel maybe there might be a point at some stage where there will be a time where she will need care.
I am at home currently but I go out to work every day. When I am at home I encourage as much independence as possible. However I do see things are aren't really very great with her. I think there is something happening with her.

I had two grandmothers. One uncle looker after his mother in her older years. Another uncle looked after his mother in her older years. How ever they were surrounded by siblings as well to help. Not only that, the two uncles ended up inheritaning the family home from their mother's and for the efforts of their care.

The idea of reaching a point in the future of providing care for my mother and I won't get any respite or even 5 pennies out of it, fills me with sick.

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Valid8me · 27/02/2023 15:33

The idea of reaching a point in the future of providing care for my mother and I won't get any respite or even 5 pennies out of it, fills me with sick.

So don't do it then, you are not obliged to. Your brother has made his choice he certainly isn't going to do it so you either do it alone or you make the same decision that your brother has.

Ewk · 27/02/2023 15:33

You should start looking into moving out, as clearly issues between you two. You don't want to be the default carer and it makes it easier to sell if needed for care home fees.
Concentrate on what you want or don't want to do rather than your brother, neither of you hVe to care for her if you don't want to, focus on what you want to do rather than trying to influence your brother.

MrsTerryPratchett · 27/02/2023 15:37

It sounds like your mother was a pretty shit parent. Because your DB was the Golden Child he managed to escape. But you were the Black Sheep and you're still chasing love and approval. The only person who is willing and able to change that dynamic is you. Not your mum or brother; you.

Good for him for leaving and making a different life. Now you need to. The GP and SS won't do anything while there is a family member there picking up the slack.

You keep talking about expectations. Many people can expect many things. Doesn't mean I'm going to do any of them.

monitor1 · 27/02/2023 15:40

If she needs care, she spends her assets on it - you have no right to inherit the house. Just let it be used for her care needs. It belongs to her.

whumpthereitis · 27/02/2023 15:42

Scotblue · 27/02/2023 15:28

Unfortunately I made no progress with her/our GP. I discussed my observations with my GP last summer but there is mo progress.

She's not in a place where she needs care as of yet but I feel maybe there might be a point at some stage where there will be a time where she will need care.
I am at home currently but I go out to work every day. When I am at home I encourage as much independence as possible. However I do see things are aren't really very great with her. I think there is something happening with her.

I had two grandmothers. One uncle looker after his mother in her older years. Another uncle looked after his mother in her older years. How ever they were surrounded by siblings as well to help. Not only that, the two uncles ended up inheritaning the family home from their mother's and for the efforts of their care.

The idea of reaching a point in the future of providing care for my mother and I won't get any respite or even 5 pennies out of it, fills me with sick.

It doesn’t really matter what other people chose to do and what their situation was, because it’s not yours. You don’t have to act as carer. That you may choose to does not oblige your brother in any way. He’s an adult with his own life to lead, and isn’t bound by the decisions you make.

Your mother’s assets are hers, and she doesn’t actually have to be ‘fair’. It may suck for you, but you do absolutely have the option of walking away.

Fraaahnces · 27/02/2023 15:42

I think you need to let go of any comparisons to other families and be realistic. Your brother is a drug addict and is selfish. If she does sign over the house to him then it is likely that he will sell it and piss it up against the wall straight away and she won’t have anywhere to go. You will end up looking after her anyway. She needs legal protection from that now, and the best way to do that is to get her deemed medically unfit to make decisions like that. If you are given power of attorney, then she can’t sign over the house. It is quite possible he’s pressuring her to do this. I wouldn’t discuss the possibility of her senility with him at all. He is probably reporting it all straight back to her to suit his own agenda.

NumberTheory · 27/02/2023 15:44

The idea of reaching a point in the future of providing care for my mother and I won't get any respite or even 5 pennies out of it, fills me with sick.

This is good reason not to do it and to let her go into in a home instead.

You have spent decades feeling second best (if that). You are setting yourself up to compound this feeling as she ages in order to see some form of inheritance even though you think she’s not likely to actually leave you anything.

You need to detach. Your brother finally managed to escape her and you need to too.

You need to stop feeling responsible for her care and stop wanting some form of approval for her - even in the form of an inheritance that would show she valued you. Maybe some counseling would help you work through your complex emotions and how they affect your actions today.

femfemlicious · 27/02/2023 15:46

If I were you, I would I would be working as much as possible and save up to buy my own property. See it as your inheritance that you get to live at home and save up. Forget about your brother. Comparison is the thief of joy

Merlott · 27/02/2023 15:49

YABU because you are living in her home, presumably free of charge?

Move out and then go through the usual channels for social care and support for her.

Your brother has his own life. Maybe you should do the same.

Donnashair · 27/02/2023 15:49

Do you live in her house?

Hbh17 · 27/02/2023 15:51

Neither of you have any obligation to her, and you could / should both cut contact.

MrsTerryPratchett · 27/02/2023 15:51

Your brother is a drug addict and is selfish.

No, he did have an issue with drugs and now doesn't is how I'm reading it. He actually made healthy choices moving and prioritising himself over a deeply unhealthy parent.

Good for him, I say.