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AIBU unreasonable to expect him to come home from abroad and set up life here instead of there

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Scotblue · 27/02/2023 14:33

I am going to be honest in this. It might be triggering for some.

My mother was overbearing to my brother.
She was overly invested in him even when he was well into adulthood. She pitied him for being male and she did everything for him.
If the two of us got sick or broke, she only ever really cared for him.

She did everything for him - cooking and cleaning and paying bills and allowed everything free with no consequences.
He took advantage of that.
He became rude and obnoxious. He had girlfriend at one stage. My mother never left her true feelings known to him but I knew then. I saw it in her face that would stew every time he brought her home. She hated the girlfriend.
I think my mother saw her as a threat.
He was bad at one point with his drinking/drugs. He used to drive home in a state and not even know his name or where is phone was or where his car keys were even though he drove his vehicle home.
My mother always blamed the girlfriend for him and his bad way even though I never saw her in a bad way. She just refused to believe that he was responsible for himself. Eventually he lost his girlfriend and his job. I knew then, it was an addiction he had.

Eventually he got a chance to get a visa and go away abroad.

Since he left my mother hasn't been the same. She's pining for him. She does things aimlessly around the home.
For example she was wiping shoes with baby wipes then she took a pile of used baby wipes and wiped the counters down with the same baby wipes before wiping the the outside and the inside of some of the kitchen appliances with the same wipes. I just thought it was fairly mindless.

Even before he left I had suspicions that maybe she was going senile.
There was a few things happening that wasn't quite right with her. Aside from her obsession with my brother there was a few things not quite right. I think maybe there was something happening like the possibility of a dementia brewing for a long time but maybe she was living her life through my brother and it wasn't seen or observed a few years ago because her focus was on him. I remember an incident a few years ago from her.
I received an email from my aunt - her sister who lives abroad.
Work had me booked for a stint but when I became free I did tell my mother about the email from the aunt. She lost the plot at me. She was shouting and raging and fuming because I got an email from the aunt and in her words I didn't tell her but thats not what happened. I did tell her when I was free to do it. It wasn't on the exact minute the email came in but she was told about the email.
It was unreasonable.

I let my brother know last summer that there were things happening at home and our mother wasn't behaving normally for the past few months and I told them that I am not qualified to diagnosis but it looks to me maybe it's some form of a dementia brewing with her.
At this stage I would put money on a dementia happening with our mother but she's not too far gone down the rabbit hole a dementia progression.

My brother is talking about gaining sponsorship from his employer abroad.
I know I should be happy for him but to be honest I am somewhat resentful of it.
I think it's only a matter of time before things will progress with our mother. I think it's unfair that the load of caring will fall on me by default because I am still at home. I think it should be shared between us.
I think he could set up a life at home for himself and he doesn't need to move across the world for work. There were opportunities available at home at the time if he choose to seek them out but he choose something different and a life of drink and drugs at the time.

I know my mother isn't too far deep in this suspicion of a dementia just yet but I think it's happening. There was an incident yesterday at home and I realise now that I won't be able to care for her.
She has no Internet skills and she decided she wanted me to help her with some internet shopping.
I told her that I wasn't able to do it today (as in yesterday).
I was sick and I didn't have the money in my account either. Usually when I help her with the Internet shopping like that, the process can take hours.
I would have been looking at 4 or 5 hours yesterday.
I was too unwell to do Internet shopping for her.
The stuff she wanted wasn't urgent.
I was telling her I will help her but will be mid week.
She wasn't able to understand it. She wasn't able to tolerate a 'no'. She was shouting and being rude and disrespectful to me and it reminded me of a temper tantrum from a toddler.
It dawned on me then. She wasn't able to be reasoned with and it's just something else to add to the suspension of dementia.

My brother doesn't believe me when I am talking and trying to raise awareness that there's something happening.
He says she sounds fine on the phone whenever he calls.

AIBU to expect him to come home. Not now but maybe do another year on the visa and then return home and share the load of any of the caring work.

There was an incident last week where it my mother wants to sign the family home over to my brother.
This is just quite simply sickening to me. There will likely come a time where she will need more care and I will probably be expected to do it all while I get nothing in return except for grief. I get a sense she doesn't appreciate it me at home. Even though I am providing company and help. She had no respect for me yesterday and it was rich considering she wanted me to spend my money on her wants. All she wants is my brother.

OP posts:
InstagramBitchWife · 27/02/2023 18:04

saltinesandcoffeecups · 27/02/2023 17:01

It sounds like your sister and brother have both done the smart thing in getting some distance from your mother. I suggest you concentrate on doing the same and spending your energy there instead of playing the woulda/shoulda/coulda game with regards to your mother’s care.

if you do nothing different then things aren’t going to change. You will be caring for your mother alone.

If I’m honest you all (you and your siblings) sound like you had/have a really unhealthy relationship with your mother.

This. If you don't want to provide care you absolutely do not have to. At that point you'd need to notify her GP and make a referral to adult SS stating that you are unable to provide care.

Do you live with her? If so that will definitely be part of the problem.

But regarding your brother YABU, I don't blame him for not wanting to move home. And even if he did he is well within his rights not wanting to provide care.

InstagramBitchWife · 27/02/2023 18:07

If I were you I would be taking steps to move out of the house, and find somewhere of your own at least an hour away.

Gazelda · 27/02/2023 18:20

If you moved out, you could use that as a prompt for a family discussion around mum downsizing.

Think about your choices -

  • Stay living with her and become her carer
  • move out and sell the home to fund care home.
  • stay living at home and not be her carer
  • move out and get carers to visit.

You can't ask DB to sacrifice his life if you're not prepared to.

You need to get a diagnosis. Not google.

You also need to get your head around not inheriting the house. If you do end up with a legacy from her will, then that will be a bonus.

How old is she? How old are you? Are there any grandchildren in the picture?

AcrossthePond55 · 27/02/2023 18:31

@Scotblue

You're living in her home. My assumption is that you don't want to move elsewhere because you don't want to or can't afford to pay 'market rent'. That's fine, but doing so comes with strings. My feeling is that if you want to live there for less than you could live on your own, then you should be helping her. She's providing you with a home. She's not providing your DB or DS with a home.

My DB had 'financial reversals' after he retired and ended up moving home with our mum. But part of him living 'rent free' with her was providing her with 'home care', which he did with love and gratitude. No one could have cared for her any better, paid or unpaid, and I will be grateful to him forever.

The difference, of course, was that our mum was loving and kind even as her dementia worsened. But once her dementia worsened to the point where it was no longer safe or tenable, we moved her to a care home and her home was sold. We are lucky in that she had the financial resources to pay for it, because where we live there is no govt assistance for 'custodial care'.

VegetablesFightingToReclaimTheAubergieneEmoji · 27/02/2023 18:44

Ok. I’m going to be a bit brutal here based on very similar experience.
living at home you are going to be expected to be default carer for your mum. Social services will push quite hard for it to fall to you, there isn’t the funding in the system for you not to. So realistically it’s going to be you, or someone funding it (your brother and you halving it to save the family home?).

lastly I am really sorry dementia is a cunt. There’s lots of charities who can support you, do reach out now. Dementia adventure are a great small charity, they run online workshops providing training about how to support your mum better. Little things like covering mirrors, when to pick up on stuff, when to let it go. It’s very good.

it’s hard. I’m sorry

Kitkatfiend31 · 27/02/2023 18:50

You are going to have to make a choice. Either leave home and when needed let your mothers assets be used for care. Or stay and become a default carer. You cannot have it both ways. HER house will be used to pay for care unless you do it. You have to decide what you are prepared to do not try to decide what your brother should do as that's not your choice to make.

Scotblue · 27/02/2023 19:00

Kitkatfiend31 · 27/02/2023 18:50

You are going to have to make a choice. Either leave home and when needed let your mothers assets be used for care. Or stay and become a default carer. You cannot have it both ways. HER house will be used to pay for care unless you do it. You have to decide what you are prepared to do not try to decide what your brother should do as that's not your choice to make.

I have an abundance of patience. So many people say that to me. My profession is in the caring profession too. So I have a lot of transferable skills to bring home with me too.

I decided I can't do this. When the time comes that she will need care, I can't do it. I want to and I am built for it but I am not built for caring for her. Does that make sense? She doesn't have anything fully blown as of yet and I do a lot help her but she doesn't appreciate anything but if I was male she would be all over me and fawning all over me. I think she spent all of my youth just tolerating me and that was it. She grew up in a Catholic country where women were treated with disdain and felt a lot of that in my youth and there will be much more of it to come too. I can't do this.

I saw her last week, she was struggling with the dial on the washing machine and I asked her if she needs a hand and she just broke out ranting and raving at me and shouting abuse at me.

OP posts:
Aprilx · 27/02/2023 19:03

Scotblue · 27/02/2023 17:21

I am not refuse to answer it. I did not get time to answer it yet because I am dipping in and out from her and doing jobs.

I live at home. I am paying rent of 400 every month and paying bills.

I would be reculent to see the home go into nursing home fees. My brother is interested in keeping the home in the family too. We are both in agreement that it should be kept in the family.

Your brother a sister have made their choices, they won’t be looking after your mother. All that is left is for you to choose between is looking after your mother yourself or accepting that the house needs to be sold to pay for care home fees. There is no third option that I can see.

Scotblue · 27/02/2023 19:04

My brother has plans for the family home. He wants a place to come home too and he wants to build on the property too. The thing is, I don't know if he realises the shit storm that is to come.

My mother doesn't like me. I got that tone a long time ago and it's likely she will never be able to accept me as a carer for her. I won't be able to do this. If I was a man I would be able to be brut to her and she will respect me just like that. She's only hating me because I am a woman. I won't be able to care for her. I think when the time comes I will be willing to see the home go, so that she can go into care.

OP posts:
amiold · 27/02/2023 19:04

Scotblue · 27/02/2023 19:04

My brother has plans for the family home. He wants a place to come home too and he wants to build on the property too. The thing is, I don't know if he realises the shit storm that is to come.

My mother doesn't like me. I got that tone a long time ago and it's likely she will never be able to accept me as a carer for her. I won't be able to do this. If I was a man I would be able to be brut to her and she will respect me just like that. She's only hating me because I am a woman. I won't be able to care for her. I think when the time comes I will be willing to see the home go, so that she can go into care.

She doesn't like you but let's you live with her??

butterfliedtwo · 27/02/2023 19:06

MamOfFive · 27/02/2023 14:50

YABU. You can't demand your brother comes home, he's an adult and he has his own life.

Absolutely this.

butterfliedtwo · 27/02/2023 19:09

I won't be able to care for her. I think when the time comes I will be willing to see the home go, so that she can go into care.

You should. You'd not be unreasonable at all to do so.

justhaveahalf · 27/02/2023 19:13

Why are you focusing on shit like if you were a man it'd be different?

It is what it is.

She is like this with you. Man or not. So why stay with her? Your siblings haven't.

The whole thing sounds incredibly toxic.

Don't play the martyr and then come moaning about it. You're in charge of your life

CeciliaMars · 27/02/2023 19:24

Your brother is not being unreasonable. It's not his fault your mother has spoilt him rotten. Most people don't base their life choices around what care their elderly parents do or will need. If this were the case, people wouldn't move away from their parents - more like how families were in time gone by.
All you can do is decide how much care you're prepared to give and leave it there. I don't think anyone has mentioned Power of Attorney. Does your mother have one set up? It needs to be done while the person still has mental capacity. It's a big responsibility, but you don't have to take it on. If you don't, and it doesn't sound like your brother will want anything to do with it, social services will step in and make decisions. But if your mother owns a property, care she needs will be funded eventually from the sale of her house.
It sounds like you're not going to inherit anyway I'm afraid.

DeadbeatYoda · 27/02/2023 19:27

Your brother can have all the plans he likes but your mother's care needs to be paid for unless one of you does it yourselves. He isn't interested in caring for her, you aren't either so the house must be sold. The tax payer does not exist to pay for your brother's 'plans'.

LeavesOnTrees · 27/02/2023 19:40

It sounds like your DB did the best thing for him getting away from your toxic mother.

You have decided that you won't be able to care for her, so stick to that. It's fair enough.

The home is not yours and by the sounds of it never will be, so you need to make plans for your future housing based on that.

jellybar · 27/02/2023 19:48

I agree with other posters that you might still be seeking your mum's approval... Maybe you're even mourning/angry that she'll no longer be sentient/lucid enough to give you her approval and it'll forever be too late? If you give up on the house for fees, move out and try to build your own life, you'll find unconditional and willing sources of support and love and approval

jellybar · 27/02/2023 19:48

[continued] in your own life outside

Jellycatspyjamas · 27/02/2023 19:48

I want to and I am built for it but I am not built for caring for her. Does that make sense?

It does make sense, I couldn’t have been a carer for my mum. Given that, you need to make plans to live somewhere else because if you’re living with her you’ll end up assuming that role. Let your brother sort out what happens as her care needs increase. What happens to the family home is none of your concern because it’ll never be yours, so you need to look after yourself here.

AcrossthePond55 · 27/02/2023 19:51

Scotblue · 27/02/2023 19:04

My brother has plans for the family home. He wants a place to come home too and he wants to build on the property too. The thing is, I don't know if he realises the shit storm that is to come.

My mother doesn't like me. I got that tone a long time ago and it's likely she will never be able to accept me as a carer for her. I won't be able to do this. If I was a man I would be able to be brut to her and she will respect me just like that. She's only hating me because I am a woman. I won't be able to care for her. I think when the time comes I will be willing to see the home go, so that she can go into care.

What 'shit storm' to come?

If at some point you're going to be willing to let the home go so your mother can go into care, then I assume you're only there because you want to take advantage of not having to pay market rent. No problem with that as long as the 'arrangement' is beneficial to both you and your mother. But if at some point you're going to say 'the hell with it' then you'd better start building yourself a nest egg so you'll have what you need to find your own place when that time comes.

And it may come sooner than you think if your mother has dementia. They can be 'going along fine' with just minor bumps in the road, then suddenly things take a nosedive and the effects worsen greatly. There's no 'set pattern' when it comes to dementia.

Scotblue · 27/02/2023 20:12

CeciliaMars · 27/02/2023 19:24

Your brother is not being unreasonable. It's not his fault your mother has spoilt him rotten. Most people don't base their life choices around what care their elderly parents do or will need. If this were the case, people wouldn't move away from their parents - more like how families were in time gone by.
All you can do is decide how much care you're prepared to give and leave it there. I don't think anyone has mentioned Power of Attorney. Does your mother have one set up? It needs to be done while the person still has mental capacity. It's a big responsibility, but you don't have to take it on. If you don't, and it doesn't sound like your brother will want anything to do with it, social services will step in and make decisions. But if your mother owns a property, care she needs will be funded eventually from the sale of her house.
It sounds like you're not going to inherit anyway I'm afraid.

I don't have POA. I never knew what it was until the past year. I suggested it to my mother but she was always apathetic with legal stuff. She doesn't understand it and she doesn't want to know about it.

If my brother, a man was to suggest she would be all over it but me, her daughter, no. Just by me being a woman, she doesn't trust me. I never gave her any reason not to distrust me. I was paying bills for the home since I was a teenager. I always worked hard and helped. There were many times he laid in his bed and never helped but she had more respect for him than she ever did for me who helped.

I don't have POA and I won't be able to get it.

OP posts:
MrsTerryPratchett · 27/02/2023 20:24

Move out love. You are so enmeshed.

LeavesOnTrees · 27/02/2023 20:27

MrsTerryPratchett · 27/02/2023 20:24

Move out love. You are so enmeshed.

Totally this. You need to move forward with your life.

You will never get what you need from your mother.

saltinesandcoffeecups · 27/02/2023 20:30

I don't have POA and I won't be able to get it.

this actually makes it easier…don’t ask about. Live there as long as you can and save money like your life depends on it. When the time comes find a place of your own.

VegetablesFightingToReclaimTheAubergieneEmoji · 27/02/2023 21:02

LeavesOnTrees · 27/02/2023 20:27

Totally this. You need to move forward with your life.

You will never get what you need from your mother.

I completely agree.