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AIBU unreasonable to expect him to come home from abroad and set up life here instead of there

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Scotblue · 27/02/2023 14:33

I am going to be honest in this. It might be triggering for some.

My mother was overbearing to my brother.
She was overly invested in him even when he was well into adulthood. She pitied him for being male and she did everything for him.
If the two of us got sick or broke, she only ever really cared for him.

She did everything for him - cooking and cleaning and paying bills and allowed everything free with no consequences.
He took advantage of that.
He became rude and obnoxious. He had girlfriend at one stage. My mother never left her true feelings known to him but I knew then. I saw it in her face that would stew every time he brought her home. She hated the girlfriend.
I think my mother saw her as a threat.
He was bad at one point with his drinking/drugs. He used to drive home in a state and not even know his name or where is phone was or where his car keys were even though he drove his vehicle home.
My mother always blamed the girlfriend for him and his bad way even though I never saw her in a bad way. She just refused to believe that he was responsible for himself. Eventually he lost his girlfriend and his job. I knew then, it was an addiction he had.

Eventually he got a chance to get a visa and go away abroad.

Since he left my mother hasn't been the same. She's pining for him. She does things aimlessly around the home.
For example she was wiping shoes with baby wipes then she took a pile of used baby wipes and wiped the counters down with the same baby wipes before wiping the the outside and the inside of some of the kitchen appliances with the same wipes. I just thought it was fairly mindless.

Even before he left I had suspicions that maybe she was going senile.
There was a few things happening that wasn't quite right with her. Aside from her obsession with my brother there was a few things not quite right. I think maybe there was something happening like the possibility of a dementia brewing for a long time but maybe she was living her life through my brother and it wasn't seen or observed a few years ago because her focus was on him. I remember an incident a few years ago from her.
I received an email from my aunt - her sister who lives abroad.
Work had me booked for a stint but when I became free I did tell my mother about the email from the aunt. She lost the plot at me. She was shouting and raging and fuming because I got an email from the aunt and in her words I didn't tell her but thats not what happened. I did tell her when I was free to do it. It wasn't on the exact minute the email came in but she was told about the email.
It was unreasonable.

I let my brother know last summer that there were things happening at home and our mother wasn't behaving normally for the past few months and I told them that I am not qualified to diagnosis but it looks to me maybe it's some form of a dementia brewing with her.
At this stage I would put money on a dementia happening with our mother but she's not too far gone down the rabbit hole a dementia progression.

My brother is talking about gaining sponsorship from his employer abroad.
I know I should be happy for him but to be honest I am somewhat resentful of it.
I think it's only a matter of time before things will progress with our mother. I think it's unfair that the load of caring will fall on me by default because I am still at home. I think it should be shared between us.
I think he could set up a life at home for himself and he doesn't need to move across the world for work. There were opportunities available at home at the time if he choose to seek them out but he choose something different and a life of drink and drugs at the time.

I know my mother isn't too far deep in this suspicion of a dementia just yet but I think it's happening. There was an incident yesterday at home and I realise now that I won't be able to care for her.
She has no Internet skills and she decided she wanted me to help her with some internet shopping.
I told her that I wasn't able to do it today (as in yesterday).
I was sick and I didn't have the money in my account either. Usually when I help her with the Internet shopping like that, the process can take hours.
I would have been looking at 4 or 5 hours yesterday.
I was too unwell to do Internet shopping for her.
The stuff she wanted wasn't urgent.
I was telling her I will help her but will be mid week.
She wasn't able to understand it. She wasn't able to tolerate a 'no'. She was shouting and being rude and disrespectful to me and it reminded me of a temper tantrum from a toddler.
It dawned on me then. She wasn't able to be reasoned with and it's just something else to add to the suspension of dementia.

My brother doesn't believe me when I am talking and trying to raise awareness that there's something happening.
He says she sounds fine on the phone whenever he calls.

AIBU to expect him to come home. Not now but maybe do another year on the visa and then return home and share the load of any of the caring work.

There was an incident last week where it my mother wants to sign the family home over to my brother.
This is just quite simply sickening to me. There will likely come a time where she will need more care and I will probably be expected to do it all while I get nothing in return except for grief. I get a sense she doesn't appreciate it me at home. Even though I am providing company and help. She had no respect for me yesterday and it was rich considering she wanted me to spend my money on her wants. All she wants is my brother.

OP posts:
Scotblue · 27/02/2023 17:05

2013isback · 27/02/2023 16:06

The first thing I'd do in your case is get your mother to a doctor and get a diagnosis of her current condition. Everything you've said here sounds like you're guessing ad speculating and asking for thirdhand professional advice (discussing it with your GP), but there's no substitute for a doctor (ideally her own, if she has had one) doing a full examination. After that your mother herself, and your whole family including your brother, will have a common understanding of the situation and be in the best position to make decisions about her care.

I'm not sure of the significance of the email from your aunt - if it was an eamil with important information she asked you to share with your mother (e.g., because you have email and your mother doesn't) then I see why your mother's upset. Otherwise it's none of her business if your aunt emails you.

About the aunt, there was no important details in the email. It was just a quick line or two to say hello.

I wrote about it because I think it's another incident where it could tied up into my suspicion of the possibility of dementia. She was easily angered from that. She wasn't able to understand or comprehend the time line and I told her once I was free to tell my mother. She was just blowing up for the sake of it.

From reading about dementia and from dementia support groups. Anger can be a common behaviour.

I can dip back to 2018 and 2019 for incidents where my mother wasn't able to follow instructions from the vet about the pet dog. She wasn't able to plan for a family wedding. She became overly obsessed about an outfit and then she became anti social when it came to the event. I think it's all goes hand in hand. I didn't see those behaviours at the time. It's only now I see so much more from my mother. Shes struggling with some things around the home like reading dials and getting confused over who owns what laundry. She has many items of my clothing in her room as if they are hers. It's only now that I can dip back into other years and I think there was something happening for a long time with her.

OP posts:
stayathomer · 27/02/2023 17:10

Op there is no nice way to say this and I’m so so sorry, but you are as bitter as her. You need to get thoughts of inheritance out of your head. Neither of you are intitled to it but yes he might get it. You seem estranged already albeit you’ve been great to help her this far, but you don’t want to help, and you don’t want the house towards paying for care for her. You really need to figure stuff out x

Scotblue · 27/02/2023 17:10

My sister is out of the picture entirely. She spent the past decade harassing the family. It wasn't a normal anger from her. We had porn sent in the mail to the home and other vile acts of revenge from her to see attention from the family. We were all ignoring her because she was completely irritational with everything she said and did. We had to distance ourselves from the and get the police involved too.

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MelchiorsMistress · 27/02/2023 17:12

You need to move out of home if you want to ensure you don’t end up as a default carer. I wouldn’t want to be my mothers carer in your position either.

Your brother is irrelevant to the situation you are in and while it’s understandable that you wish he’d help, you’d be very unreasonable to ask him or pressure him in any way to come back when he’s got opportunities to improve his life abroad.

Maybe your mothers home will have to be sold to pay for her next home but that’s normal. None of us are entitled to inheritance.

justasking111 · 27/02/2023 17:14

Well your brother won't be a carer. You're unable to be one. Contact the GP again telling them what you're telling us. You expect it's escalating.

www.ageuk.org.uk/

Contact Age UK with your valid concerns for advice.
Accept that the house and money will probably go on her care. Age UK are really very good organised my friends parent in many ways

BarkingBeachDog · 27/02/2023 17:17

Just move out and distance yourself. Focus on your own life instead of theirs

Ewk · 27/02/2023 17:18

Your family dynamic sounds complicated, pobably a lot of it stemming from your mother, your sister wanting the attention she never got etc, your brother having a completely claustrophobic relationship with his mother before moving away.

But you're all adults now, focus on what you want from life vs what the others could or should be doing. As has been said you don't need to be carer for her, focus on seperating yourself from her, moving out if thats what you want.

Scotblue · 27/02/2023 17:21

JimHensonWasAGenius · 27/02/2023 16:57

She may well be living in the family home so would very much care if it is sold, however she is refusing to answer that.

I am not refuse to answer it. I did not get time to answer it yet because I am dipping in and out from her and doing jobs.

I live at home. I am paying rent of 400 every month and paying bills.

I would be reculent to see the home go into nursing home fees. My brother is interested in keeping the home in the family too. We are both in agreement that it should be kept in the family.

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Viviennemary · 27/02/2023 17:22

No you can't expect your brother to leave his job and come home but neither should you be expected to do everything your mother sounds as if she needs help. She will be able to appply for help to employ carers to help her with day to day tasks.

Noicant · 27/02/2023 17:25

Ok so you parents (both of them) are awful, you guys are utterly dysfunctional. Your brother wants the house kept in the family because it’s going to him, you would be caring for your mum so he can inherit a property (don’t assume he won’t chuck you out to sell it either).

Move out and build a life away from all of them.

stripedsox · 27/02/2023 17:26

With all due respects why the fuck should I and millions of others finance your mother in a care home through our taxes because you want your inheritance ? Yabvu for that alone.

justhaveahalf · 27/02/2023 17:30

Why don't you move out?

If you want the house then you/your brother/sister/family will have to pay for in house carers or nursing home. You can't have it both ways.

justasking111 · 27/02/2023 17:34

Scotblue · 27/02/2023 17:21

I am not refuse to answer it. I did not get time to answer it yet because I am dipping in and out from her and doing jobs.

I live at home. I am paying rent of 400 every month and paying bills.

I would be reculent to see the home go into nursing home fees. My brother is interested in keeping the home in the family too. We are both in agreement that it should be kept in the family.

Not sure of your rights as a tenant. Again age UK can advise

derbylass81 · 27/02/2023 17:36

stripedsox · 27/02/2023 17:26

With all due respects why the fuck should I and millions of others finance your mother in a care home through our taxes because you want your inheritance ? Yabvu for that alone.

Yes, quite.

OP, it's neither here nor there whether you and your brother are "interested" in keeping the home in the family.

To be honest I think your whole set up sounds very strange.

You don't sound like you ever really got on with your mum, so why haven't you moved out? How old are you?

You sound very co- dependant.

And no, your brother sounds like he's finally getting somewhere in life, he should not have to come home to look after his mother.

Greenfairydust · 27/02/2023 17:36

Honestly you need to start detaching yourself from your family and start living your own life.

It sounds like a very unhealthy environment for everyone involved.

You don't have to be a carer for your mother and your brother also has the right to make the same choice.

He has managed to move on with his life while it sounds like you have stayed stuck in old enmeshment patterns and are overly controlled by your family dynamics.

Ilikewinter · 27/02/2023 17:38

Honestly it sounds like you all have individual personal issues going on. If you really dislike your mum why are you still living with her?. Move out and move on.

JimHensonWasAGenius · 27/02/2023 17:46

How old are you OP? Have you ever lived independantly?

AcrossthePond55 · 27/02/2023 17:50

Scotblue · 27/02/2023 17:21

I am not refuse to answer it. I did not get time to answer it yet because I am dipping in and out from her and doing jobs.

I live at home. I am paying rent of 400 every month and paying bills.

I would be reculent to see the home go into nursing home fees. My brother is interested in keeping the home in the family too. We are both in agreement that it should be kept in the family.

Why? Because you get reduced rent in exchange for being the primary carer for your mother? To be sure that your DB gets his 'inheritance'? I wouldn't think either of them was a good enough reason, given the circumstances.

amiold · 27/02/2023 17:50

Just tell your brother you are moving out. If he doesn't want to lose his inheritance he needs to come home and care for your mother in her old age or it will be spent on nursing fees. Explain to him that you are not willing to do it and your mother has chosen him as the benefactor so he should make some decisions about how he wants that to pan out.

You sound a bit woe me. It's your mum, sister, brother ... but not you. Maybe a bit of independence will help your self esteem etc. she must be dragging you down.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 27/02/2023 17:52

I would be reculent to see the home go into nursing home fees. My brother is interested in keeping the home in the family too. We are both in agreement that it should be kept in the family

So what do you feel the answer is?

Clearly you can't expect your brother to uproot his life to care for her, you understandably don't want to do it yourself and professional carers certainly won't do it for free - so what else is left?

jellybar · 27/02/2023 17:55

I know it's a bit more complex than that, but in a way you're expecting your brother to uproot his life so you can continue having reduced rent. All of you are just using each other.

ValerieDoonican · 27/02/2023 17:58

If your brother wants to keep the house in the family, he needs to make steps to support that happening. Those steps are really drastic ie moving back and taking on at least half the care of your mother. But actually this almost ceratinly won't happen, and it would probably be a terrible idea for everyone if he even tried. You can't make him do it, and you shouldn't do it yourself, either.

Neither of you should give up your lives and stop work to care for your mother - and that's what you would have to do. Its a terrible idea.

You say "I would be expected to do it" - but who is doing the "expecting"? No-one can make you. I suspect you are expecting it of yourself. Don't.

You are dreadfully enmeshed with your mother. It's incredibly unhealthy. Your rent is not that high, but the emotional cost to you is massive. You really need to get out.

If you are so sure you wouldn't inherit, then why do you care what your brother wants? It's not your problem. He brings you nothing, your mother brings you grief. Just because they are your flesh and blood, does not mean you have to do what they "expect".

I think you will find it very hard to build an autonomous life of your own, free from them. I don't underestimate the challenge. But it will be a life. You have no life staying where you are, so far as I can see.

Jellycatspyjamas · 27/02/2023 17:59

If you’re living in her home you’ll be considered the primary carer by default, presumably you wouldn’t see her in need of help and not help her. So if you, understandably don’t want that to happen you need to make plans to move out. What your brother decides to do is between him and your mum, you can’t expect him to return home because you want help caring for your mum.

It sounds like whatever happens in the immediate future, you’re going to need to find an alternative place to live because if the house doesn’t go on care fees, it’ll go to your brother so start making plans now while it’s relatively easy to do so. You don’t say how old you are but gaining some distance and independence should be a priority for you now.

monitor1 · 27/02/2023 18:00

Scotblue · 27/02/2023 17:21

I am not refuse to answer it. I did not get time to answer it yet because I am dipping in and out from her and doing jobs.

I live at home. I am paying rent of 400 every month and paying bills.

I would be reculent to see the home go into nursing home fees. My brother is interested in keeping the home in the family too. We are both in agreement that it should be kept in the family.

If you want to keep the home, you have to between you care for your mother. TBH with the dynamics you describe I would say you'd be best moving out and going low contact with the lot of them. You can't have it both ways - not want to be involved with care but preserve the inheritance.

justasking111 · 27/02/2023 18:02

"They fuck you up your mum and dad". (Philip Larkin poem.

Your mother in different ways has messed up all of you. I'm so sorry 😞

AIBU unreasonable to expect him to come home from abroad and set up life here instead of there