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AIBU unreasonable to expect him to come home from abroad and set up life here instead of there

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Scotblue · 27/02/2023 14:33

I am going to be honest in this. It might be triggering for some.

My mother was overbearing to my brother.
She was overly invested in him even when he was well into adulthood. She pitied him for being male and she did everything for him.
If the two of us got sick or broke, she only ever really cared for him.

She did everything for him - cooking and cleaning and paying bills and allowed everything free with no consequences.
He took advantage of that.
He became rude and obnoxious. He had girlfriend at one stage. My mother never left her true feelings known to him but I knew then. I saw it in her face that would stew every time he brought her home. She hated the girlfriend.
I think my mother saw her as a threat.
He was bad at one point with his drinking/drugs. He used to drive home in a state and not even know his name or where is phone was or where his car keys were even though he drove his vehicle home.
My mother always blamed the girlfriend for him and his bad way even though I never saw her in a bad way. She just refused to believe that he was responsible for himself. Eventually he lost his girlfriend and his job. I knew then, it was an addiction he had.

Eventually he got a chance to get a visa and go away abroad.

Since he left my mother hasn't been the same. She's pining for him. She does things aimlessly around the home.
For example she was wiping shoes with baby wipes then she took a pile of used baby wipes and wiped the counters down with the same baby wipes before wiping the the outside and the inside of some of the kitchen appliances with the same wipes. I just thought it was fairly mindless.

Even before he left I had suspicions that maybe she was going senile.
There was a few things happening that wasn't quite right with her. Aside from her obsession with my brother there was a few things not quite right. I think maybe there was something happening like the possibility of a dementia brewing for a long time but maybe she was living her life through my brother and it wasn't seen or observed a few years ago because her focus was on him. I remember an incident a few years ago from her.
I received an email from my aunt - her sister who lives abroad.
Work had me booked for a stint but when I became free I did tell my mother about the email from the aunt. She lost the plot at me. She was shouting and raging and fuming because I got an email from the aunt and in her words I didn't tell her but thats not what happened. I did tell her when I was free to do it. It wasn't on the exact minute the email came in but she was told about the email.
It was unreasonable.

I let my brother know last summer that there were things happening at home and our mother wasn't behaving normally for the past few months and I told them that I am not qualified to diagnosis but it looks to me maybe it's some form of a dementia brewing with her.
At this stage I would put money on a dementia happening with our mother but she's not too far gone down the rabbit hole a dementia progression.

My brother is talking about gaining sponsorship from his employer abroad.
I know I should be happy for him but to be honest I am somewhat resentful of it.
I think it's only a matter of time before things will progress with our mother. I think it's unfair that the load of caring will fall on me by default because I am still at home. I think it should be shared between us.
I think he could set up a life at home for himself and he doesn't need to move across the world for work. There were opportunities available at home at the time if he choose to seek them out but he choose something different and a life of drink and drugs at the time.

I know my mother isn't too far deep in this suspicion of a dementia just yet but I think it's happening. There was an incident yesterday at home and I realise now that I won't be able to care for her.
She has no Internet skills and she decided she wanted me to help her with some internet shopping.
I told her that I wasn't able to do it today (as in yesterday).
I was sick and I didn't have the money in my account either. Usually when I help her with the Internet shopping like that, the process can take hours.
I would have been looking at 4 or 5 hours yesterday.
I was too unwell to do Internet shopping for her.
The stuff she wanted wasn't urgent.
I was telling her I will help her but will be mid week.
She wasn't able to understand it. She wasn't able to tolerate a 'no'. She was shouting and being rude and disrespectful to me and it reminded me of a temper tantrum from a toddler.
It dawned on me then. She wasn't able to be reasoned with and it's just something else to add to the suspension of dementia.

My brother doesn't believe me when I am talking and trying to raise awareness that there's something happening.
He says she sounds fine on the phone whenever he calls.

AIBU to expect him to come home. Not now but maybe do another year on the visa and then return home and share the load of any of the caring work.

There was an incident last week where it my mother wants to sign the family home over to my brother.
This is just quite simply sickening to me. There will likely come a time where she will need more care and I will probably be expected to do it all while I get nothing in return except for grief. I get a sense she doesn't appreciate it me at home. Even though I am providing company and help. She had no respect for me yesterday and it was rich considering she wanted me to spend my money on her wants. All she wants is my brother.

OP posts:
Brefugee · 27/02/2023 15:55

OP do you live with her? if you rely on her to keep a roof over your head (family home) then i get why you're reluctant to have her moved into a home/sheltered accommodation.

If you don't: it es entirely up to you how much involvement you have. The same as your brother. Neither of you is beholden to her. Forget ideas about inheritance, since you don't expect any in any case.

Do what is best for you.

Everyotherone · 27/02/2023 15:59

The way elderly care is financed differs in different countries - I’m not sure where you are (and don’t say if you’d rather not) but it’s worth looking up.

There’s so much going on for you, isn’t there? I wish I could give you a hug. Between your mum playing favourites and your brother being a bit of a shite all round, and then the worry about dementia.

Your dm, for all her faults, deserves care and support in her elderly years, but that’s not to say that it should fall to you to provide it. But you may have to take steps to protect yourself. Relying on your db, or anyone else, to step up is not helpful. And there may well be harsh judgement but you’re entitled to choose your level of engagement.

I would advise you to make peace with losing the family home, either to the state or to your db. It’s unlikely anything you do will change that outcome unless you can independently buy it.

Have you much real life support?

gamerchick · 27/02/2023 16:00

You have a couple of issues. Your brother pulled himself up and got himself away from the unhealthy dynamics with your mother. He doesn't have to come back.

You do not need to care for your mother. You need to move out and get your own life. Stop thinking about inheritance, it sounds likely it's all going to go on care bills anyway.

You are making a choice OP. Move out

RosaBonheur · 27/02/2023 16:01

Scotblue · 27/02/2023 15:13

I definitely don't want to provide care to her. I feel maybe I am in a place where I might be expected to do it out of default of being home.

My mother doesn't respect women and views them in a bad way. She doesn't want me caring for her either. She didn't say it.

The only other option then, when he does need care if for her to go into a home. But as far as I know there is a payment scheme where the family home is used for the payment of nursing home care. I don't want to see the family home go either.

Then there is a whole entire other mess. I will never get one penny in any inheritance from her because everything will be left to her favourite. Why should I provide care to someone who doesn't respect me and I will never get anything in return. Just grief.

If you think she wants to leave the family home to your brother then it makes absolutely no difference to you whether it has to be sold to pay for her care or not.

Springintoabetterlife · 27/02/2023 16:03

How old are you? It sounds like it’s time for you to move out.

justhaveahalf · 27/02/2023 16:04

There's a lot of issues all mixed into one here.

But I agree with the majority of posters. You can't expect your brother to come back home. He has made his life choices. You need to make yours.

Do you live with your mum? What stops you moving out?

He is under no obligation to care for your mother just as you aren't

Also I see you view that your brother has been favoured by your mum. And that that is unfair. I'd also try to see it from his point of view. His mother had a say in everything he did. He wasn't able to have a relationship without her interfering and making her feelings known Maybe being the favoured child wasnt easy either. Maybe him escaping was his only way to stop that.

Doesn't mean you can't also find your own escape

2013isback · 27/02/2023 16:06

The first thing I'd do in your case is get your mother to a doctor and get a diagnosis of her current condition. Everything you've said here sounds like you're guessing ad speculating and asking for thirdhand professional advice (discussing it with your GP), but there's no substitute for a doctor (ideally her own, if she has had one) doing a full examination. After that your mother herself, and your whole family including your brother, will have a common understanding of the situation and be in the best position to make decisions about her care.

I'm not sure of the significance of the email from your aunt - if it was an eamil with important information she asked you to share with your mother (e.g., because you have email and your mother doesn't) then I see why your mother's upset. Otherwise it's none of her business if your aunt emails you.

Happygirl79 · 27/02/2023 16:06

I'm sorry to say this but your problem seems to be the fact that you won't inherit your mother's house?

If you don't want to care for her move o
ut

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HiccupHorrendousHaddock · 27/02/2023 16:11

You're carrying a lot of resentment and making some pretty hefty assumptions.

You are not entitled to inherit stuff (unless you live in Scotland). Just because your mum owns it doesn't mean you should be thinking you deserve some of it. She could blow the lot of the horses and it would still be none of your business. Whether or not she needs it for care home fees or gives it all to your brother, stop thinking about her home and assets.

We don't look after our family members because they will leave us stuff in the will, we do it because they are family and we love them. If you don't - and it sounds like the relationships aren't terribly healthy - then move away yourself.

You're resenting your brother as the "favourite child" but the poor guy can't have a relationship without his mum getting all weird about it. I bet he's relieved to move away.

JimHensonWasAGenius · 27/02/2023 16:12

Do you live in the family home OP?

Minimalme · 27/02/2023 16:17

Your brother doesn't have to provide care and you don't either.

What you describe sounds more like your Mother is controlling and manipulative, rather than dementia.

You need to move out. The longer you stay at home the more enmeshed you will become.

You brother sounds like he has managed to sort his life out which is great. You now need to do the same for yourself.

LakieLady · 27/02/2023 16:25

I feel for you, OP.

My DB was the golden child. When they relocated, my brother, 18 at the time, went with them. I was 28, and stayed in our home town, where I'd already bought a house, had a job, etc.

Both our parents had dementia. My father had it first, and my golden child brother couldn't hack it so moved 120-odd miles away. When my father died, it became apparent my mother was in the early stages of dementia. She couldn't manage all sorts of every day things.

She had dreadful anxiety, especially about money and things in the house not working. She was always asking me to go up and help her with stuff, often stuff that was completely unnecessary. I once drove 150 miles to help her get a new cooker, because hers had broken. It hadn't, she'd put the shelf in all lopsided. There were many similar things. I completed attendance allowance forms for her and went to the doctor with her to get the GP to sign them. She'd phone me daily, sometimes more than once, about the same things that I'd explained to her the previous evening.

It was so, so hard. This is going to sound awful, but when she died suddenly of something unconnected to dementia, a year after my father, it was a bit of a relief.

And of course, it was me who had to make all the arrangements and spend 3 weeks clearing the house of 30 years worth of hoarding so the council could have it back. My DB did nothing bar rock up for the funeral.

No-one should feel obliged to care for their elderly parents. It can be a thankless task, especially if they have dementia. If your DB doesn't want to do it, that's his choice, and it's your choice too. Don't feel that it's your duty.

Do what's best for you.

xogossipgirlxo · 27/02/2023 16:30

Golden children never look after their parents when they're old. You can't expect him to come home, but you can move out and not provide care for your mother.

Schoolchoicesucks · 27/02/2023 16:34

Yes, you would be U to try to force your brother to come home to care for your mother.

Equally, you do not have to provide care for her.

It sounds as though her GP isn't concerned about dementia. The absent minded cleaning and being angry with you don't necessarily indicate dementia.
How old is she?

Have you always lived with her? Is there a reason you couldn't move out?

She is free to leave her home to your brother. It would be cruel. But perhaps ties in with her favouring him or hoping that to do so would make him come back if she misses him. It sounds manipulative of her.

What is your relationship like with her? Would a bit of distance help you both?

If you are concerned about her ability to care for herself then a SS carers assessment would be the way to go. Support is likely to be limited if you live with her as the assumption would be that you could cook, clean, help her wash.

Scotblue · 27/02/2023 16:37

Everyotherone · 27/02/2023 15:59

The way elderly care is financed differs in different countries - I’m not sure where you are (and don’t say if you’d rather not) but it’s worth looking up.

There’s so much going on for you, isn’t there? I wish I could give you a hug. Between your mum playing favourites and your brother being a bit of a shite all round, and then the worry about dementia.

Your dm, for all her faults, deserves care and support in her elderly years, but that’s not to say that it should fall to you to provide it. But you may have to take steps to protect yourself. Relying on your db, or anyone else, to step up is not helpful. And there may well be harsh judgement but you’re entitled to choose your level of engagement.

I would advise you to make peace with losing the family home, either to the state or to your db. It’s unlikely anything you do will change that outcome unless you can independently buy it.

Have you much real life support?

It isn't even half of what's going on.
The family has been hit with tremendous troubles.

  • My father was a dickhead and he has a lot od debt.
  • I have a sister is didn't wrote about and its expected maybe she might have a group b personality and she's a lost cause.
  • then there was a drug addiction
  • emigration
  • now the possibility of a dementia
  • I am also not very well. With GI issues
OP posts:
cassiatwenty · 27/02/2023 16:44

YABU, it sounds like none of you were happy with him there. Pointless to have him back in that family dynamic that never worked for him and it sounds like it never will.

Perhaps DM needs a carer. If thinking about DB triggers feelings of envy, forget about him and sort your own life first.

MrsTerryPratchett · 27/02/2023 16:51

xogossipgirlxo · 27/02/2023 16:30

Golden children never look after their parents when they're old. You can't expect him to come home, but you can move out and not provide care for your mother.

Families with Golden Children have bad parents. Thereby removing most of the obligation.

I feel for the Black Sheep who feel beholden though. Sad

AcrossthePond55 · 27/02/2023 16:55

You can't make your brother provide care for your mother

You can't make your sister provide care for your mother

If you choose to care for your mother despite your feelings then that's on you. You don't have to do it and you shouldn't feel resentful of your Bro & Sis because they made the choice that you are afraid to make for yourself.

As far as 'not wanting to sell the house', why should you care if it's sold if it means your mother is cared for by someone other than you? If you expect that your brother will be left the house you aren't losing anything and you are being relieved of a 'burden'.

JimHensonWasAGenius · 27/02/2023 16:57

AcrossthePond55 · 27/02/2023 16:55

You can't make your brother provide care for your mother

You can't make your sister provide care for your mother

If you choose to care for your mother despite your feelings then that's on you. You don't have to do it and you shouldn't feel resentful of your Bro & Sis because they made the choice that you are afraid to make for yourself.

As far as 'not wanting to sell the house', why should you care if it's sold if it means your mother is cared for by someone other than you? If you expect that your brother will be left the house you aren't losing anything and you are being relieved of a 'burden'.

She may well be living in the family home so would very much care if it is sold, however she is refusing to answer that.

jellybar · 27/02/2023 17:00

Even if your brother moves back, it's likely your mother will need specialised care unless 1 of you quits your job to become her full time carer.

Why not use the family home for payment?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 27/02/2023 17:00

I definitely don't want to provide care to her. I feel maybe I am in a place where I might be expected to do it out of default of being home

It doesn't matter what people "expect"; none of it means you'ree obliged to comply and more than your brother is

You're right about the home probably having to be sold if she goes into paid care though, but if it makes you feel any better it could also mean there won't be any inheritance left for your brother to get

Puzzledandpissedoff · 27/02/2023 17:01

Sorry, that should have read ANY more than your brother is ... in other words you're not forced to be her carer and neither is he

saltinesandcoffeecups · 27/02/2023 17:01

It sounds like your sister and brother have both done the smart thing in getting some distance from your mother. I suggest you concentrate on doing the same and spending your energy there instead of playing the woulda/shoulda/coulda game with regards to your mother’s care.

if you do nothing different then things aren’t going to change. You will be caring for your mother alone.

If I’m honest you all (you and your siblings) sound like you had/have a really unhealthy relationship with your mother.

LittleOwl153 · 27/02/2023 17:01

You need to get a handle on your own life and where you want to go with it. And make it happen for yourself.

Forget your brother - he wont be of any help to you ifnhe moves home. Forget the family home, forget inheritance. Unless your mum is 80+ and even then given her care needs you are not going to see anything from it.

Use your time now (and I'm assuing living rent free) to maximise your earnings and savings - save your own ingeritance if you like!. Keep yourself out of your mother's way, let her donthings herself. And then when she gets too much for you, you can move out as you will have a deposit for your won space.

Im99912 · 27/02/2023 17:03

How old are you
because I “think “over a certain age they won’t take the house if a adult over 60 lives in there

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