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Issue with neighbour

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user01082312345 · 27/02/2023 13:43

My husband and I recently moved into what I suppose you would call a triplex apartment (we have neighbours who live upstairs and below). In the contract we signed, the landlord was very strict about no smoking and no dogs in the building, which is perfect since we're nonsmokers and we have a 2.5 year old son. The first day we moved in, the entrance smelled strongly of cigarette smoke which I was disappointed about since one of the reasons we chose this particular building was it's no smoking policy. We weren't sure which neighbour it was, so we messaged the landlord who immediately got back to us and said he would contact the tenants to remind them not to smoke. Afterwards, the downstairs neighbour approached my husband (she lives with her boyfriend and two kids, around 9/10 years old), and apologised for having smoked inside. She said she usually smokes on the balcony, but she was drunk celebrating the New Year. We said no problem, but then a few weeks later the entrance smelled of smoke again. It was a really cold day, so we guessed she just didn't want to go out on her balcony to smoke. Even still, my son's health is really important to me, and since the landlord was coming to visit us about another issue, my husband once again mentioned it to him. Again, he reminded the neighbours not to smoke. Since then, the woman neighbour doesn't smile or return our greetings, so I'm guessing she's pissed we 'snitched' on her. Not long after, they got a dog which is also against the building rules. The dog occasionally barks and whines, and has almost woken DS up from his naps during the weekend, and it also barks at us when we're getting into our car and it's tethered on a leash outside. My son is well behaved for a toddler and rarely throws tantrums, and if he does we deal with it pretty quickly. However, he is an early riser, and he is usually up between 5-6am most mornings. When he wakes up, I try and keep him occupied in his room with his toys and whatnot and stop him from making too much noise until it's time to get dressed and have breakfast, but he's still an active toddler, and sometimes he'll drop a toy on the floor, or run around. On two occasions now, the neighbour below has banged on her ceiling when my son was being 'too noisy.' It happened again this morning when he ran from his room to the kitchen (he wasn't wearing shoes, he was still in his pjs), and it was 6:20. It's half-term here so the neighbour's kids will be off school and I guess the neighbour was still in bed, but my toddler doesn't know that! It really pissed my husband off that she knocked, so he knocked back. I'm not a confrontational person and I was hoping to have good relations with our neighbours. I also thought she would be more understanding having two kids of her own. Like, how quiet were her kids when they were toddlers? Has anyone been in a similar situation and do you think she's overreacting? I now dread the early mornings and I panic every time DS makes a noise, thinking the neighbour is going to make a complaint. If she does, then I'll be tempted to tell the landlord about their pet dog!

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tattygrl · 27/02/2023 15:32

OP, people aren't criticising you for having a toddler who may or may not be making noise; it's about how tolerant you and your neighbours are of each other's foibles in general. I think everyone here understands how hard it is (and also, not something we'd want to do!) to keep a toddler quiet. I'm sorry you've not felt supported. You're definitely supported as a mum trying her best. I do think this situation is going to be pretty tense, though, as the issues you've mentioned, whether you complain to the landlord about them or not, between you and your neighbours, are likely to be the same in any apartment block.

user01082312345 · 27/02/2023 15:35

Genie321 · 27/02/2023 15:30

Neighbours should not be banging on walls and ceilings, that's just immature. You have a toddler, OP. Toddlers shouldn't have to watch their step so the neighbours don't complain. It's pressure for you too. Maybe look for a ground floor apartment? Sometimes it's easier for your own sanity to bite the bullet and move? Your child should be moving, dancing and enjoying himself and you do not need to be keeping him immobile until the neighbours decide to wake up. He's developing and should be allowed to do so. Don't understand the negative comments tbh.

Thank you! Yes, it's incredibly stressful. And I feel bad because now when he wakes up, my DS actually says 'too loud, neighbours sleeping' when he picks up a toy. I wish we lived somewhere else, and we did try and find a ground floor apartment but we were desperate to move asap (our previous apartment was freezing my cold due to poor insulation, we had a squirrel infestation which kept us all awake at night, and the landlady was batshit crazy). I love the new apartment and the area we live in, I'm just disappointed that we got off on the wrong footing with the neighbours, and now I inwardly moan whenever DS wakes up at 5 in the morning. On the plus side, he is beginning to sleep in till 6 and later some mornings, so maybe it'll get better!

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OhmygodDont · 27/02/2023 15:37

The only person breaking the terms are the tenants below. The toddler is allowed. The smoking and dogs are not.

Tbh I would report the dog not because of the lease but because it sounds horrible for the poor thing.

With regards to toddler I take if you have carpets/rugs. Also in his own room you could add foam floor mats. All would dampen his little yet likely stompy feet.

TheySeeMeRowling · 27/02/2023 15:38

It sounds like she is looking for a fight. Tell the landlord so the dog will be taken off her. Ridiculous that she thinks rules don’t apply to her.

user01082312345 · 27/02/2023 15:38

tattygrl · 27/02/2023 15:32

OP, people aren't criticising you for having a toddler who may or may not be making noise; it's about how tolerant you and your neighbours are of each other's foibles in general. I think everyone here understands how hard it is (and also, not something we'd want to do!) to keep a toddler quiet. I'm sorry you've not felt supported. You're definitely supported as a mum trying her best. I do think this situation is going to be pretty tense, though, as the issues you've mentioned, whether you complain to the landlord about them or not, between you and your neighbours, are likely to be the same in any apartment block.

It's not so much a 'foible' to smoke indoors and stink up the entire apartment block and thereby breach the conditions of the contract than a discourtesy to your fellow tenants. I'm not complaining about their dog, or their shouting. Their smoking was the only complaint I made, and I felt it was within my right.

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user01082312345 · 27/02/2023 15:40

OhmygodDont · 27/02/2023 15:37

The only person breaking the terms are the tenants below. The toddler is allowed. The smoking and dogs are not.

Tbh I would report the dog not because of the lease but because it sounds horrible for the poor thing.

With regards to toddler I take if you have carpets/rugs. Also in his own room you could add foam floor mats. All would dampen his little yet likely stompy feet.

Yes unfortunately it's hardwood floor everywhere. We are looking into getting more rugs for DS's room, so when he drops his toys it won't make too much of a clatter.

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tattygrl · 27/02/2023 15:41

user01082312345 · 27/02/2023 15:38

It's not so much a 'foible' to smoke indoors and stink up the entire apartment block and thereby breach the conditions of the contract than a discourtesy to your fellow tenants. I'm not complaining about their dog, or their shouting. Their smoking was the only complaint I made, and I felt it was within my right.

Of course it's your right to report the smoking, I acknowledged that in a previous comment. Your neighbour didn't like being reported, and is now being intolerant herself, I think.

Also, this has escalated rather, from two occasions where the hallway smelt smoky to "stinking up the entire apartment block". I was under the impression that it was as if she had, on two occasions, had a cig in the hallway, no? If she's regularly smoking indoors and it's causing a constant stink of smoke that's different.

Littleflowerseverywhere · 27/02/2023 15:42

Honestly I am shocked you reported her twice and then proclaim you want good relations with them. Lol.

honestly if I was her I’d have reported your noise without hesitation . To report to the landlord immediately for two instances is shocking. Without even speaking to them.

you won’t have good relations with them, you ruined that when you picked up the phone and elected not to speak to them.

im guessing it’s a matter of time before she gets you back

Emmamoo89 · 27/02/2023 15:42

Yanbu x

Littleflowerseverywhere · 27/02/2023 15:42

It's not so much a 'foible' to smoke indoors and stink up the entire apartment block and thereby breach the conditions of the contract than a discourtesy to your fellow tenants

wow. Well that escalated.

user01082312345 · 27/02/2023 15:43

Littleflowerseverywhere · 27/02/2023 15:42

Honestly I am shocked you reported her twice and then proclaim you want good relations with them. Lol.

honestly if I was her I’d have reported your noise without hesitation . To report to the landlord immediately for two instances is shocking. Without even speaking to them.

you won’t have good relations with them, you ruined that when you picked up the phone and elected not to speak to them.

im guessing it’s a matter of time before she gets you back

Can you actually report a toddler for dropping a toy on the floor, or running? Lol. And remember she has a dog which is against the rules of the contract. The landlord was well aware of the fact that I have a 2.5 year old son!

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ShakespearesBlister · 27/02/2023 15:43

user01082312345 · 27/02/2023 15:38

It's not so much a 'foible' to smoke indoors and stink up the entire apartment block and thereby breach the conditions of the contract than a discourtesy to your fellow tenants. I'm not complaining about their dog, or their shouting. Their smoking was the only complaint I made, and I felt it was within my right.

You might well feel it's within your rights but is it really worth the long term fallout? The smell dissipates in a matter of seconds. It's hardly worth sabotaging your relationship with your neighbours over when you've only been there 5 minutes. Now the neighbours can't stand you and you'll probably all be miserable until one of you moves out.

user01082312345 · 27/02/2023 15:44

Littleflowerseverywhere · 27/02/2023 15:42

It's not so much a 'foible' to smoke indoors and stink up the entire apartment block and thereby breach the conditions of the contract than a discourtesy to your fellow tenants

wow. Well that escalated.

I don't think it was just a sneaky fag she had indoors. It must have been several judging from the smell that permeated the entrance and into our apartment!

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helloimnew123 · 27/02/2023 15:45

At the end of the day you aren't doing anything wrong. Kids make noise, that's life. If you live in a flat you can't expect silence. As long as he's not feral, I don't see a problem.

I'd be annoyed if I moved to a smoke and dog free complex, to then have people smoking in communal areas and a dog!

Report the dog and hopefully they will move out 👍🏼 x

Singularity82 · 27/02/2023 15:47

I think you’ve been given a hard time here, OP. Cigarette smoke is vile, I don’t have any health issues but I cannot stand the smell and would hate for my home to smell like it. I wouldn’t have accepted an apartment where smoking was allowed, so I too would be annoyed by the bait and switch.
The dog would bother me less so.
The noise of kids running around is annoying, but equally the neighbour chose an apartment with families living there. Noise is part and parcel of living I a flat, I think.

tattygrl · 27/02/2023 15:47

user01082312345 · 27/02/2023 15:43

Can you actually report a toddler for dropping a toy on the floor, or running? Lol. And remember she has a dog which is against the rules of the contract. The landlord was well aware of the fact that I have a 2.5 year old son!

You're not open to your role in this situation. You keep bringing up what the neighbour has done wrong, and how they're in breach of the lease, when it gets mentioned that you reported your neighbour twice in a short time without approaching them first. That's obviously the root of the issue!

FebName · 27/02/2023 15:48

Sorry you're getting a hard time. This seems to be mumnset now.

You did absolutely nothing wrong about complaining about the fag smell. Absolutely disgusting. I'd be pissed off too if I moved into my new flat and it stank of smoke.

As you said it quite clearly stated in the lease no smoking or dogs.

Your neighbours must be a thick as mince to give you grief about toddler noise if they have an "illegal" pet.

But again welcome to the new improved mumnset where dogs rule the world and everyone is a keyboard warrior.

Just ignore the neighbour and next time she complains just ask innocently if you're allowed dogs in that condo. Fuck 'em!

user01082312345 · 27/02/2023 15:48

helloimnew123 · 27/02/2023 15:45

At the end of the day you aren't doing anything wrong. Kids make noise, that's life. If you live in a flat you can't expect silence. As long as he's not feral, I don't see a problem.

I'd be annoyed if I moved to a smoke and dog free complex, to then have people smoking in communal areas and a dog!

Report the dog and hopefully they will move out 👍🏼 x

Thank you!

I'm not going to report their dog, and I will continue try keeping my son's early morning 'raucous' down to a minimum. But if they do issue a formal complaint
(unlikely), then I will be mentioning their new pet!

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TheOrigRights · 27/02/2023 15:50

I know "can you move" is thrown around on MN like it's so easy to do, but I'm wondering whether you didn't fully consider the impact of having a toddler would be on your below neighbours.

I get twitchy about my kids not disturbing the neighbours and we live in a terrace, and my kids are older so it's not early mornings but the bass on their god awful music, or drum or guitar playing!

The problem is, even if she stops smoking and re-homes her dog your toddler will still be a young child for a long time and it's going to be very hard to lead a relaxed life.

Womencanlift · 27/02/2023 15:51

YANBU to be upset about smoke and a dog I would be too but YABU to go straight to the landlord about the smoke. Your neighbours don’t know you and their first impression of you is that you won’t talk to them and will tell on them to the landlord. Not a great start

And then toys getting dropped on a hardwood floor in the early hours. Yes kids make noise but it’s your responsibility to minimise the impact on your neighbours (just as they should to). Getting rugs should have been a priority if you can’t put carpet down

helloimnew123 · 27/02/2023 15:51

Littleflowerseverywhere · 27/02/2023 15:42

Honestly I am shocked you reported her twice and then proclaim you want good relations with them. Lol.

honestly if I was her I’d have reported your noise without hesitation . To report to the landlord immediately for two instances is shocking. Without even speaking to them.

you won’t have good relations with them, you ruined that when you picked up the phone and elected not to speak to them.

im guessing it’s a matter of time before she gets you back

'Gets you back'....very mature outlook!

She hasn't done anything wrong. How quiet would you expect a young child to be? What would be reported? They are obviously happy to have a family living there, so she has no problem.

user01082312345 · 27/02/2023 15:51

FebName · 27/02/2023 15:48

Sorry you're getting a hard time. This seems to be mumnset now.

You did absolutely nothing wrong about complaining about the fag smell. Absolutely disgusting. I'd be pissed off too if I moved into my new flat and it stank of smoke.

As you said it quite clearly stated in the lease no smoking or dogs.

Your neighbours must be a thick as mince to give you grief about toddler noise if they have an "illegal" pet.

But again welcome to the new improved mumnset where dogs rule the world and everyone is a keyboard warrior.

Just ignore the neighbour and next time she complains just ask innocently if you're allowed dogs in that condo. Fuck 'em!

Thanks for the support. Perhaps they should rename this forum 'dogsnet!'

But seriously, I don't care about the dog. Yes it's a little irritating when I hear it barking at weekends just as I put my son down for a nap, and then the neighbours yell at it, but as I keep saying, I tolerate the noise because they're allowed to live, just as my toddler is also allowed to live! And I'm really trying my best to keep him as quiet as I can in the mornings, but anyone with small kids can understand that it isn't always the easiest of tasks!

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Growlybear83 · 27/02/2023 15:53

But surely you understand that most people are still asleep at 6 am? It's not your fault if the flats are poorly insulated but you could try to minimise the disturbance to your neighbours. I used to live in a flat where I was constantly disturbed by selfish and inconsiderate neighbours and it nearly drove me to distraction. If you live in a flat then you have to expect some noise from your neighbours during the daytime and evening - NOT when you're trying to sleep, which many people are at that time in the morning. Your poor neighbours didn't choose to have someone move in above them who had a child that wakes up at 5-6 in the morning and who is allowed to make noise.

tattygrl · 27/02/2023 15:53

Nobody cares about the dog, OP! You're dodging the fact that you reported your neighbours twice without so much as a knock on their door first. That's a pretty hostile thing to do. Did you think about the impact it could have on them? If someone reported me to my landlord I'd be so panicked. I'm not absolving them of anything - clearly they don't respect the lease or their neighbours, and that's shit. But it's not that everyone here loves dogs and hates noisy toddlers. The root of the issue is how it started with you and your neighbours.

user01082312345 · 27/02/2023 15:55

Growlybear83 · 27/02/2023 15:53

But surely you understand that most people are still asleep at 6 am? It's not your fault if the flats are poorly insulated but you could try to minimise the disturbance to your neighbours. I used to live in a flat where I was constantly disturbed by selfish and inconsiderate neighbours and it nearly drove me to distraction. If you live in a flat then you have to expect some noise from your neighbours during the daytime and evening - NOT when you're trying to sleep, which many people are at that time in the morning. Your poor neighbours didn't choose to have someone move in above them who had a child that wakes up at 5-6 in the morning and who is allowed to make noise.

Honestly I thought the flats were well insulated. The neighbour above us has two young sons and the noise they make is quite muffled. I feel terrible that they're still sleeping when my kid wakes up, but what else can I do? I try my best. Eventually he'll grow older and I'll be having to drag him out of bed to get to school on time!

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