Just out of parents night - 11 years new novel is about a boy who wants to be a girl

[Workingmomof2]

And the teacher was talking about it as a great book. I’m seriously not happy. Would I be unreasonable to raise this with the school. Why is this kind of idea even introduced to our children so young. No wonder they are all so confused.

SausageCat, if you could tell someone was “trans” from a brain scan, there would be a diagnostic test for it. There isn’t, ergo, nobody has found significant or definitive brain differences.

There have been various studies and none found definitive differences. Some of the differences found in certain areas of the brain were also found in those suffering from depression. They also failed to consider homosexuality as a confounding factor.

If a male face looks somewhat feminine, we do not say that male is female. If a male person is a height that is more typical for a woman, we do not say he is one. If a male brain has some apparent similarities to some female brains, that means that some male brains are different from others, not that it is a female brain in a male body.

Ugh. So it teaches girls that they need to be kind. That his needs matter more than hers? Fuck that.

Your clue is in your acknowledgment “until recently it was treated as such”. It’s now recognised in the scientific community as harmful and wrong to consider being trans a mental illness in the same way that it was wrong to classify same sex attraction as a mental illness.
(Also The story of one person , sensationalised in a documentary from the 80s , does not represent the experience of trans people).

Are gay people put on lifelong drugs as teenagers? Made infertile? Are they encouraged to have their breasts / genitals surgically removed? And without any research being done on whether this is a good idea or not? Why is there so much resistance to this type of research?

Dont you know that womens brains are just full of shoes and kittens?

Thats a political decision Im afraid. Science unfortunately is not immune from this.

No. There intense lobbying to have it removed from the DSM. It was not unanimous by any means. The documentary series I referred to was in no way sensational. It just followed a trans woman throughout her life. It was actually presented completely sympathetically. I didn’t say it represented all trans people, I said it gave an interesting perspective, particularly the impact of childhood trauma. Any informed person would immediately see the relevance of this given the recent information coming out of the investigation in to the negligence at the Tavistock clinic where guess what a huge percentage of those presenting with gender dysphoria had a history of sexual abuse and mental ill health.

I dont know what the problem is. It's a book and books normally discuss the culture we are in. Gender identity is a idea more visible in todays culture and some young people ( and older too) wish to be the other gender. This book will not give the child gender disphoria but can encourage him to have empathy for someone that goes through that since the idea will not be weird for him. If the local high school has a lot of trans people its not because of a book but maybe because they feel safer to explore their gender since its an environment that encourages inclusivity.

Completely a politics thing.

Guess I don’t see penises as a threat in the same way , more misogyny and power. I remember when feminist discussions used to be more nuanced and discuss power, not simply ‘penis = bad’.

just to note I’m a victim of r*pe but I’m more worried about the recent news articles on the sheer scale of police violence towards women than a trans person in the toilet.

so I guess we all have different fears of violence from men and i’m not here to minimise others, just my worries lie other places in a society dominated by male violence

No. Stop.

My brain certainly is 😅

It is a mental illness and in teenage girls it is linked to puberty/the male gaze very strongly. It is HARMING girls in particular as most teenage transitioners are female.
Then of course there is middle aged male cohort too. Where are all of the middle aged women transitioners? 🙄

Oops meant to quote this 😅

The “until recently” is a reflection of the pressure placed on the works of psychiatry both internally and externally to remove the connection

it’s clear that in many cases the presentation of trans could fit into many other disorders set out in DSM5.

it’s sad that this denial is actually leaving mentally ill individuals with little option but to embrace their medicalisation for something which could be treated in a much less invasive manner.

No, I said gender dysphoria is a mental illness.

Transition is a process or activity which is sometimes used by people to try to alleviate feelings of gender dysphoria.

But not all people who “transition” have gender dysphoria. The term “trans” has now been extended to include all kinds of people, including men who used to be called transvestites: those men who are sexually aroused by the idea of themselves as women or by cross dressing or carrying out other activities that those men see as “feminine”.

It is unfortunate for those suffering from genuine gender dysphoria that those groups lobbying for so-called “trans rights” have allowed (and indeed encouraged) the conflation of such divergent groups of people.

Introducing even the concept of ‘gender identity’ is horrendous.

The premise of gender is based on roles and stereotypes we’ve tried to abolish for a long time. Not feeling you fit the gendered stereotype of your sex is totally normal (high heels, lipstick, bimbo, feminine, barbiefied, pink etc etc - no way. Wtf? Tho notice how the trans identified males want to ID in this stereotypical way as women).

Gender ideology tho seeks to implant the notion that by not feeling you ID with the stereotypes of girl/woman then you are ‘in the wrong body’. How the f*ck can anyone be in the ‘wrong’ body? Wrong liver, wrong spleen, wrong eyes, wrong bones too? No. Don’t confuse your body with your personality! You just have a personality that can like whatever you like. It’s not sex based, nor anything to do with whether you are make or female.

The most radical thing we can do is help our girls (or boys) - but it’s mostly a girl issue in schools - is to accept their amazing, beautiful, perfect female bodies as they are. Whilst saying you can be who you want, like what you want, dress how you want; your body is in no way ‘wrong’.

By saying there’s such thing as a ‘gender identity’ we are saying: you are not your body. We teach kids body disassociation. That their discomfort as they reach puberty with their changing shape, or their grappling confusion with with being sexually attracted to perhaps someone of the same sex - still doesn’t mean they’re ‘in the wrong body’. They’re just perfectly ordinary kids. Boys who like girls dressing up clothes or girls who like short hair and are ‘Tom boys’ still are in the right bodies.

My lesbian friend asked me ‘where are all of the butch lesbians? You never see any, they’ve all been convinced they’re trans’.

Gender ideology has a long history and most of it is not a ‘grass roots rights based’ movement but both the fetishisation of hetro men with autogynephilia or the industry based corporate Pharma selling of cross sex hormones, puberty blockers and associated surgeries (plus the huge later market of assisted fertility once they’re rendered infertile by the hormones).

Kids don’t need this ideology forced on them in school, esp not in PSHE or at story time, as a benign seeming current affairs topical story. It’s not kind, fair, appropriate, necessary, needed and only seeks to push body disassociation earlier and earlier.

The stats show that women are more at risk from men who pretend to be women,, than they are from other men.

Thats quite shocking and so something to be worried about when theres a man in the toilet next to you wearing a wig

Yes, when I was in secondary school bulimia absolutely swept the school. Social contagion is real for teenage girls. Any one who has been a teenage girl esp at an all girls school can tell you that. Gender dysphoria is just the latest iteration of this phenomenon but is infinitely more dangerous. Puberty is such a difficult time for many girls. Now they are being told oh you aren’t comfortable with your breasts? Trans. It’s so transparent. These young girls are being served up on an altar to justify the mental illness of adults. It’s evil and wrong.

An excellent post.

ssh don’t mention the middle aged transitioners in their fishnets and stilettos not getting and my sexual gratification from it at all. Nothing to see here, move a long.

im so hoping John Cleese in the new Fawlty Towers does a retake on the Dont mention the War sketch” with “Dint mention the penis sketch”

YANBU

Why do children this age need to read books on this subject?

There is a fine line between introducing difficult subjects sympathetically and indoctrination. IMO that line was overstepped a long time ago

Ive said it before, so this is boring, but men pretending to be women never want to look like/identify with a woman like me. Lots of facial hair, fat, swollen ankles, ruddy faced, menopausal.

Funny that.

This.