Just out of parents night - 11 years new novel is about a boy who wants to be a girl

[Workingmomof2]

And the teacher was talking about it as a great book. I’m seriously not happy. Would I be unreasonable to raise this with the school. Why is this kind of idea even introduced to our children so young. No wonder they are all so confused.

This is a good thread on Twitter about it’s origins; goes back further than you might imagine.

twitter.com/alessandraaster/status/1627677872851648515?s=46&t=sltjkDREeLwh_9ORfHt_jQ

Also look up Jennifer Bilek on YouTube she has some great info on context and background funding of the trans industry.

Here’s a great interview with her:

The Racist origins of gender neutral language is also another great interview from that channel:

I did believe this, I have said it. I have children. I would not let them do this. And the thread is about educating 11 year olds about trans people which I do believe in. Not anything about medical procedures.

Any other body part is a mental illiness

” The syndrome of apotemnophilia, body integrity or amputee identity disorder, is defined as the desire for amputation of a healthy limb, and may be accompanied by behaviour of pretending to be an amputee and sometimes, but not necessarily, by sexual arousal”

Body integrity dysphoria (BID, also referred to as body integrity identity disorder, amputee identity disorder and xenomelia, formerly called apotemnophilia) is a mental disorder characterized by a desire to have a sensory or physical disability or having discomfort with being able-bodied beginning in early adolescence

so wanting to cut off a limb -mental illness

wanting to cut off your dick is “living you best life”

Thanks @Digitalhen

And yet you're still here arguing with said "troll."

Are you saying that being transgender is a mental illness?

@Tandora rtft

A book about porn and medical transition being pushed by a school at eleven year olds.

The book’s author is obviously steeped in queer theory. The publishing industry, and in particular children’s and young adult fiction are captured.

Thank you Nowt for taking a stand. I hope you can argue for the removal of this propaganda from your school, WorkingMom2

“A book about porn and medical transition” apologies, should have proof read. This should say a book that makes mention of those things. Obviously they’re not central, but they are particularly unhealthy topics for a children’s book.

Got to be a wind up

I have worked on psychiatric wards where patients had amputated their limbs and continued to want to do so.

They werent happy or healthy and neither are people that want to cut off their genitals.

Very confused by all the gender dysphoria discussions here, from
the brain scan research I read by the Cleveland clinic, brain scans showed that trans brains are structurally more like the gender they identify as. So someone born with a penis but turns out to be trans and identify as a women when they’re older, actually has a brain structure more similar to a women—this is pretty straightforward research.

I’ve also read that the 1950s gender/chromosome research used for many years is largely discredited now by geneticists, apparently XX and XY can appear more of a mosaic in many individuals. So yes, gender dysphoria is real and more a physiological phenomenon than a simple ‘mental illness’, and gender biology isn’t straightforward.

I’ve read a lot about biology recently, not really about gender, and so much isn’t as clear cut as 19th/20th century scientists thought. I mean things move on, people used to think cholera was transmitted through bad smells (miasma theory)!

I’m not saying I agree with all the trans rights movements, but just pointing out I don’t think the issue is only psychological and not—to some extent- also biological. It’s a complex issue that has been massively oversimplified. This is like the new global warming debate.

I don’t usually get into trans rights discussions on here, so I’m probably going to get lynched now, I’m mostly here for the discussions on cats and books and finances 🫣

'They're adults we should let them'

Absolutely no way are we comparing cutting off limbs to genitals. They're completely different things, and wanting to do either is completely different as well. And you know it.

Yes, it is. Until relatively recently it was treated as such. Surgical invention and cross sex hormones were used only when professionals felt that treatment hadn’t been successful as a last resort. There is a fascinating documentary from the 80s about a trans woman called Christine and her transition. She refused to take medical advice and engage with treatment, against medical advice she went ahead with surgery and ended up with severe complications. She was a really amazing survivor and in the latter half of her life she realised she hadn’t been a woman at all and wished she had taken the treatment offered to her. She had a traumatic and difficult childhood and had been sexually abused before going on to be a rent boy in her teenage years being abused by much older men. She recognised that she had been trying to escape what had happened to her and regretted it.

Oh yes, how dare children read books that might give the perspective of humans who aren’t the same as them.

Read the full thread!

Whats different about it?

And you still havent answered my question about why you feel you 'fit' with your biological sex, what is it that makes it so (and as another poster said, avoid connecting it back to sex stereotypes)

I think this is really at the heart of it. By first year it's very likely that your kid will be in the same year or at least the same school with at least one child who identifies as trans or non binary. I think we need to be really careful that we aren't so critical of it that our children are then entering into conversations in school that they aren't equipped for and that may hurt and harm other children. I imagine the school is introducing this book as a way to preempt that they will come across this soon if they haven't already and create some conversations around it. I don't see it as indoctrination children to think a particular way and I think that for children who genuinely are trans (because we know that trans people do exist and there are trans people who have no regrets in their transition) that would be helpful and help others understand them. I think that realistically children are now going to have a lot more language around sexuality and gender identity than we would have had 15 to 20 years ago so they are naturally going to question things and shutting them down and telling them what you think they should think doesn't promote critical thinking and a solid formulation of identity. I'd read the book myself first, and I'd let my child read it and then I'd have very open fluid conversations at home to understand how my child is processing it.

For those saying that being trans is part of a mental disorder could you please show me where it exists in the catalogue of mental disorders? It isn't there so should not be referred to as such since there is no scientific or medical backing for this. Doing so is absolutely transphobic.

I can’t bear to. It’s the same old.

I was aware of transsexuals at a young age and this was back in the 70s. Could you get hold of a copy and read it, it may not be anything to be concerned about. It might just be a nice story?

YANBU. I’d be furious.

Nobody has a gender identity - only a biological sex. Any school teaching my child otherwise can expect me to raise merry hell.

Absolutely this. So much harm is being done. Check out the disasters at the Tavistock Clinic and Mermiads and read the Cass report for starters.

Ah brilliant so there is a medical test that can prove if someone is trans - no need for self ID then.

but then just having small differences that make you a typical for your sex does not make you the other sex.

if you have a penis you’re a threat to women.

Re that Cleveland clinic stuff...