To be concerned booster jabs stopped but not flu jabs

[CristinaNov182]

Anyone can have repeated flu jabs, new year / new flu jab. Older people for free, younger pay.

We’re just out of a pandemic but the safe and effective booster jabs won’t be offered to anyone anymore apart the very vulnerable. There is no addendum below that people could just purchase them, nor any such info on internet. As a contrast, the flu jab page mentions you can have this done “privately or through an occupational health scheme”.

Changes to coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccine booster doses
After 12 February 2023 you will not be able to get a COVID-19 vaccine booster dose.

Some people who are at increased risk, for example because of age or certain medical conditions, may be offered a seasonal booster later this year. If you are eligible for this, the NHS will contact you when it’s your turn to get vaccinated.

www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/find-a-walk-in-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccination-site/

I wonder why?

“You are NOT being unreasonable “ = it is becoming harder to cover up and explain away the surplus deaths hence let’s stop the boosters

“You are being unreasonable “ = no one cares about their grandma anymore / No one wants to protect grandma anymore / grandma is 💀 so no need to protect her anymore. No immune compromised people exist or no one cares about them. No one is worried about covid. People worry more about the flu etc.

How do you square this decision?

It’s not sustainable, it’s hot to end somewhere and this is the line in the sand. I don’t think it’s unreasonable tbh.

Why is not sustainable? Especially if young people (younger than 50, 60 whatever ) were to pay for it like they pay for the flu jab.

this is how the flu jab IS sustainable after all. We subsidise only the vulnerable, the rest pay the cost. And quite a cost, I’m sure it pays for the rest too.

I gather that unless you are mass vaccinating, a lot of the vaccine is wasted and it is difficult to store, so it’s hard to have at a pharmacy for people to pop in and be vaccinated in the way they do a flu jab. Perhaps, hopefully, it will be something that can be readily available for people to purchase for this winter.

It's the booster doses that people have been able to get for over a year now that have been stopped. Presumably those that wanted them would have had one by now.
There may be an autumn booster campaign, the government hasn't announced it either way yet.

Are you really suggesting there is relevant excess death caused by booster jabs?

There are many ways around that. People could register their interest and pay for the booster a month or more in advance. So Boots & other pharmacies that would offer it privately can plan and order as needed.

I always had to book in advance for the flu jab too, and it was hard to find a slot if you left it too long. So why not here?

no one cares about their grandma anymore / No one wants to protect grandma anymore / grandma is 💀 so no need to protect her anymore. No immune compromised people exist or no one cares about them

You mean the groups of people who will be getting the covid boosters?

Honestly I am confused by your voting

Risk /cost/ benefit

Covid isn't that big a risk to make multiple boosters worth the cost

I don't understand what you are getting at?

presumably they assess the perceived risk against the cost of the program to assess whether it's worthwhile.

I was a bit shocked that its totally stopped. I completely understand it couldn't be free forever but not even to offer it to those who wish to pay like with the flu jabs was very surprising, especially since it will still be tweaked and manufactured for the vulnerable.

I thought the current COVID booster had finished but will re-start next autumn for over 50s, care homes etc?

Covid hasn't gone away, my mum was in hospital in December, A & E was rammed with people coughing, my mum came out of hospital with it, passed it on to me, I'm ECV. This week three of her friends have covid, one of them is seriously ill & still testing positive at the end of her second week of having it.

There are more excess deaths now then when people were dying of covid and cancer treatments and all operations were stopped.

As long as there is no proper explanation, only speculation like “nhs is rubbish” (ignoring this is international) and others, this is a reasonable inferred correlation.

No causation proven for the boosters being the reason, but then no proper investigation or proper explanation for anything else, especially with it happening in all vaccinated countries.

and more worrying no one is in a panic like when ppl were dying of covid. At least then it was clear why, I find it concerning people just have stopped giving a penny about so many deaths now. And unbelievable.

Perhaps they will find a way around it. The boosters only stopped last week, so perhaps a little patience is needed?

It's not on BBC news, so people don't care.

I assume you haven’t had any of the vaccinations @CristinaNov182

Well that was one of the main reason why people vaccinated, not only to protect themselves, but to protect the vulnerable, by

1. Being protected themselves hence not getting seriously ill and not clogging hospitals or resources from the most in need
2. a lot was said also about curbing transmission (after the initial claim of stopping it proved to be untrue), hence again minimising the spread to the vulnerable

Share your stats then we can have a reasonable conversation. Plus the impact excess deaths are having. As that's key.

Vaccination - be it initial or booster - whatever the disease is never about saving your grandma. It's about keeping levels of disease at a level such that society can continue to function. COVID is no longer a bogey man in that respect.

It's not gone away and people/children are still getting quite sick with it. I have had it four times (tested) despite having had two boosters.
I do think boosters should be as available as flu jabs though, unless their efficacy is now being called into question.
Your voting is weird though.
Surely YANBU = the govt should still have boosters in place
YABU = boosters are no longer cost-efficient versus risk, esp. Spring/Summer

Yours mention inexplicable surplus deaths - I would need a source for that and the %. I also don't think the reason against is to bring back harvesting of the elderly or vulnerable.

Well, from a relative who works in oncology, she is currently spending a lot of time telling people there is nothing she can do to treat their cancer because it was diagnosed too late due to them not being able to get diagnosed over the last couple of years.

I would imagine the same is true for other medical conditions.

I would imagine there are lots of reasons for the higher deaths before jumping to its the booster jabs causing it

Flu is less of a risk + they still make money out of it, and why not, if they can.
And they can by setting up the price so it takes into account production, profit, etc.

why not here?

I actually wonder about the people who go on about the vaccine not stopping illness, and apparently no vaccines stop illness. How do they explain the rabies vaccine?

Have you heard about long covid? Or about prevailing problems after the infection, including weakened immune system or neurological problems? That might be another correlation for you to explore. And probably a better one, as increases illness rate and even excess deaths seems to be distributed even accros nonvaccinated population (including children)

Yes but the reason you're posts are confusing is you seem to be simultaneously complaining that the boosters are killing people and also its sad the public can't readily access them