To be concerned booster jabs stopped but not flu jabs

[CristinaNov182]

Anyone can have repeated flu jabs, new year / new flu jab. Older people for free, younger pay.

We’re just out of a pandemic but the safe and effective booster jabs won’t be offered to anyone anymore apart the very vulnerable. There is no addendum below that people could just purchase them, nor any such info on internet. As a contrast, the flu jab page mentions you can have this done “privately or through an occupational health scheme”.

Changes to coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccine booster doses
After 12 February 2023 you will not be able to get a COVID-19 vaccine booster dose.

Some people who are at increased risk, for example because of age or certain medical conditions, may be offered a seasonal booster later this year. If you are eligible for this, the NHS will contact you when it’s your turn to get vaccinated.

www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/find-a-walk-in-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccination-site/

I wonder why?

“You are NOT being unreasonable “ = it is becoming harder to cover up and explain away the surplus deaths hence let’s stop the boosters

“You are being unreasonable “ = no one cares about their grandma anymore / No one wants to protect grandma anymore / grandma is 💀 so no need to protect her anymore. No immune compromised people exist or no one cares about them. No one is worried about covid. People worry more about the flu etc.

How do you square this decision?

Off one site: .

Can I have the COVID vaccination privately?
The NHS is currently giving all Covid-19 vaccines in the UK. It is likely at some point that there will be options to have the vaccine privately whilst NHS supply remains protected. This would be in a similar way to how we usually give flu vaccination each winter privately at the clinic. This is not likely to happen until later in the year when there will be many more vaccines available.

Presently, vaccine production has been based on orders from Governments or International partnerships. Hence, in the short term, it is unlikely that vaccination will be available privately until these contracts have been fulfilled by manufacturers.

Or maybe just the existing vaccination program was scrapped now (money) and new wasn't established (yet/at all).

Personal inability to think about other explanation (other than vaccines being actively dangerous) is just a harmful speculation and definitely not a proof of anything.

Ah i didn’t know that, all children’s basic vaccines are completely free in my Western European country of origin
I understand your perspective more then

Do you have to pay for all children’s vaccines ? Or only some ? Sorry just curious

@CristinaNov182 and yes if you can afford it definitely do 💚

@CristinaNov182 Younger is better than teenagers. Sorry to hear about your situation

@Godlovesall26 children get lots of vaccines for free. Chickenpox is not included because it’s not harmful if you get it as a child. It can be serious if you get it (first time obviously) as an adult. But it’s quite easily spread hence there is a high chance everyone will get it before adulthood. I was just checking in case my children don’t get it until then, if they can get the jab instead. I’ll wait for them to get it naturally ofc, saves some money.

@CristinaNov182 yes you’re right they’ll probably get it from nursery or school or whatever. I wouldn’t wait above end of primary school, but that’s just me fwiw

@maddening will see if that happens

@ZiriForEver im only speculating bc I don’t see much or any concern at all from the public or media re this high excess rates of mortality. Especially compared to everyone’s concern for unknown grandmothers during the pandemic. lots of solutions or preventions were discussed then, many times daily. Lockdowns, washing hands, etc etc to the billion.

Even of the cause is let’s say, long covid or poor global healthcare, no one is doing anything to prevent or ameliorate. Even more, they are pulling the boosters! Even if this is temporary, it doesn’t make sense. If the cause is long covid or consequences of covid or poor health care, a good booster will help with all of these! If you already suffer with post covid issues, wouldn’t you want to have even a minimal protection? Of the heath care is so bad, wouldn’t you want to prevent having to need it?

@CristinaNov182 I’ll be honest though, it’s mostly not harmful but there still is a small proportion of complications. Honestly, if you can afford it, I would (I work in an albeit a little different medical field, in case it wasn’t clear from my ramblings☺️). I’m very biased though, having been in the tiny unlucky high risks in ICU (my body just didn’t cope well at the time - but fine now mostly, so I’m sure it’ll be fine either way, I’ve just become paranoid now (it was ‘just’ a year ago)

In Australia, ATAGI have just announced a 5th vaccine jab, (in some cases it will the 6th jab for some people), is now recommended for anyone over 65, and it will also be available for all adults over 18, from the end of this month. I’m grateful as I had my last vaccine for covid at end of May.

[Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation (ATAGI)
The Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation (ATAGI) advises the Minister for Health and Aged Care on the National Immunisation Program (NIP) and other immunisation issues.]

@CristinaNov182 i didn’t read the whole thread, but it will be down to a simple cost benefit analysis. Concern during the pandemic was different as it was an unknown virus, now everyone knows it’s not generally a concern unless you’re vulnerable and like the common cold.
Its a virus, and will keep evolving but has limited impact. Have you had such concern over other endemic diseases like malaria, dengue?

If there had been a chicken pox vaccine available when my kids were young they definitely would have had it.

I’ve three kids and each got chicken pox , one after the other, ill and very miserable for 2 weeks each during a hot summer. It took nearly 5 weeks for it to work it’s way through all my kids -as one was getting better the other got sick, so I could not work, &hence did not get paid, as no one else could for them.

@Morestrangethings In Australia, ATAGI have just announced a 5th vaccine jab, (in some cases it will the 6th jab for some people), is now recommended for anyone over 65, and it will also be available for all adults over 18, from the end of this month

True, but there is background to that. They ceased being an independent committee some time ago. The fact is Australia is sitting on a shedload of stock due to a combination of less uptake than anticipated and contractual agreements the government have made for stock. So, it’s either used, or expires in which case the Govnt could be accused of wasting taxpayer $$. Enter ATAGI and recommendations to take care of the ‘use’ aspect.

People keep saying ‘during the pandemic,’ like the pandemic has passed. I don’t understand this - it’s not yet endemic (despite people saying it is). It’s long covid we all need to be aware of. The more infections we get, the more chance of developing long covid. And now, it seems, doctors are becoming concerned about things like an increase in heart attacks a little further down the road after the infection.

@Morestrangethings but it is endemic? Its a disease regularly occurring in a population. Long covid and its implications might not yet be fully understood but that doesn’t mean its not endemic

can you prove that? I’d really like to see some proof.

I noted in my post that ATAGI only ‘advises’ the govt on immunisation. No mention that it’s independent.

We have a new government now, and there’s no need for it to take any blame for the last govt being ‘wasteful.’

OP, have you been watching John Campbell? The “unexplained deaths linked to mRNA vaccines” hypothesis has been his hobby horse for some time now.

To the “it’s a mild disease now” brigade: acute covid presents similarly to a cold in most people, yes. But, unlike a cold, it is a variant of SARS, not a self-limiting rhinovirus or other coronavirus. SARS-CoV-2 is a multi system virus that can attack and damage many organs and systems in the body, including lungs, heart, kidney, immune system, and the brain. The effects of an infection can be delayed by many months. We do not yet know what effects on the body might be in many years’ time. It is strongly suspected that multiple infections increase the risk of both the post-viral syndrome known as long covid, one form of which is now thought to be due to covid-induced autoimmunity, and all kinds of other sequelae.

It is really not a good idea to normalise repeated SARS infections. I don’t have an answer as to how society could move forward doing what would be best for long-term public and individual health, while also maintaining a halfway functioning society. Ventilation and air purification measures in public buildings and on public transport would be a reasonable place to start. The government appears to have no appetite for this.

It looks as though there will be a new booster programme late spring and again in the autumn.

It’s feb - surely ‘this years’ covid/flu jab campaign is over and they will be offered to the vulnerable again in the autumn?

@DeNeushoornHeeftEenHoorn basic epidemiology shows the more transmissible a virus the less harmful it is.
how do you suggest governments approach public health?

You may be right. However I can’t find universal agreement on this. In Australia we have just come out of our latest wave and far from being ‘short and sharp’ as was expected. it was a very long wave. I’m not sure that govts just didn’t decide to call it an endemic so they could cut back on the costs of providing free tests etc. I did see an article ‘from top German scientist’ dated. Nov 22 saying pandemic is now endemic.

This is still the front page of Australian govt health page where latest covid stats are published. So, it’s still a pandemic in Australia according to Federal Health. I took an image of it because I don’t know how to link from certain websites.

Agreed, and I guess the definitions used by politicians are for their own purposes. China until recently has barely acknowledged Covid, UK has let it run riot….a lot of countries in the world dont have the capacity to monitor it. So it will be difficult to get a universal agreement….politics huh

Well said.

@Morestrangethings We have a new government now, and there’s no need for it to take any blame for the last govt being ‘wasteful.’

Yes, I’m well aware we have a new government, thanks and that’s really not how it works with blame games.

The remit of ATAGI has always been to be an independent advisory group to the government. That’s why I mentioned it. You may not have, but that is the remit. As I said the reality has become something else. No, I don’t have anything I can give you in writing because funnily these things are not written and/or published. Also funnily a lot of stuff can’t even be released under FOI these days under the banner ‘not in interest of public health’ and you won’t get it for decades, by which we will be long dead and no one will care. No, I’m not some conspiracy theorist, just someone who previously had a bit of professional interaction with ATAGI and some other groups and still hold some relevant social connections.