Scottish teachers pay offer

[GneissGuysFinishLast]

AIBU to think that it’s not really an improved offer, and that 12% over 2 years is overall a worse deal than 10% in one year, and that they are only making this offer to delay strikes?

(reported on BBC News here: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-64642699)

Gosh nurses must get loads of breaks then. And all those NHS admin roles do absolutely nothing!

@FuckingHateRats do you think we deserve to be on 10% less than last year?

Yeah, those are breaks...

A break is a break from work, not a period of time where you complete work. Time where you complete work is called “work”.

So now it's OK to compare teaching to nursing?

😂

I don't think deserve has anything to do with it. The country is on its knees, economically. Everyone is struggling. Refusing an offer like this (as I see they have done, without balloting their members 🙄) looks greedy and out of touch.

I genuinely would rather stay on the salary I am and have them increase PSA pay. Or reduce class sizes. Or fund alternative provision so my colleagues aren't sworn at, spat at and physically assaulted.

I'm going to leave the EIS over their handing of this though, so maybe I'm not the opinion you're canvassing.

Are you seriously comparing a teacher clearing up after a lesson and setting up for the next one to the work involved in clearing up after surgery and setting up for the next case?

When a nurse is deliberately goading teachers into a reaction and making comparisons, I think it’s fair that teachers set them right on a post that has nothing to do with nurses.

Anyway, the pay offer has been rejected so I guess the strikes will continue. I hope the nurses follow suit and don’t back down in their pay campaign.

In terms of whether they are working or having a break?

Perhaps you could explain the difference.

It's ok to make a comment to reply when someone else has compared them though...
I feel I'm in some kind of twilight zone where carrying on doing your work is now seen as a break from work. Madness.

I also don't recognise the experience of teaching that others on this thread are describing. I get a break at 11am and can wee if required. I get 50m at lunch, which is adequate to sort out my classroom, have something to eat, visit the bathroom and catch up with colleagues. We also get non-contact periods most days when I can mark jotters, answer emails, print resources etc.

Teaching is hard work, and anyone who says otherwise is living in a fantasy land. But it's not unmanageable. This is how we end up losing public support, by making out like we have it worse than any other profession going when the reality is we have a lot of flexibility and A FANTASTIC holiday package.

@FuckingHateRats

I love you too.

@GneissGuysFinishLast

Which nurse is that then?

I hope nurses accept any sensible offer.

At the moment the whole pay structure is being discussed.

But as with education I'd also prefer the govt sorted out the other main problems

I do know what you’re getting at, but it is different. No one has to (or should) spend the entire lunch break photocopying, helping kids with homework or whatever.

It’s a frantic pace to the day, I agree with that.

It's different in different schools though @FuckingHateRats I take at least some breaks and I have to balance that by staying later.
Lots of staff moving classrooms in my school, so you carry resources around and log into the new computer between lessons (that should not take as long as it does but that's our IT for you).
If you've found a school with a better workload balance, don't ever leave!
Anyway, @GneissGuysFinishLast will maybe see you on the picket lines.

This thread proves the ugliness of society has won - pitching public sector workers against each other.

Fuck the Tories.

It is different in different schools, but even in a school where I had a thirty minute lunch break, which was shit, and they used to let the kids in early so they’d all be crowding around your classroom seven minutes early, I could pee.

It wasn’t anything like enough time, and I did get tired as it wasn’t a proper break by any means but it was a break.

Personally, I wish schools would scrap the tutor period most have and add fifteen minutes onto lunch.

Setting up a theatre is a key part of the role. It is a sterile environment and attention to detail is vital. If it's not set up properly a patient could die.

Similarly clearing up cannot be rushed due to the risk of cross infection or a sharps injury. Nurses are dealing with sharps that must be disposed of safely or sent to be sterilised that have patient's blood on them.

I support teachers fully but let's not dumb down the work that a theatre nurse does.

And let’s also not pretend that setting up a classroom for lessons is something that teachers would choose to do and therefore counts as a relaxing break and not part of their job

I mean, seriously scraping the bottom of the barrel of arguments here.

It doesn’t take half an hour though, @noblegiraffe .

I am not understanding something here - if teachers are leaving the profession in their droves, is this then not freeing up employment opportunities for all the probationary teachers who're looking for their first permanent post...?

I didn't say it was something teachers would chose to do. I am pointing out that these scenarios are not comparable.

Let’s make out that teachers don’t work much by reclassifying much of what they do as ‘super fun time’.

It’s still work, Bornlazy, not a break, if it involves working. Regardless of how much you want to sneer at the task.

This is just getting silly. I have lunchtime meetings in my role, it's not something I'd choose to do but as a salaried professional you compromise. This argument started as I raised the fact nurses aren't getting breaks. I'm talking not getting time to go off the ward floor to pee, eat a sandwich or even take a drink (remember they're still wearing masks in ward areas). It's not every shift but it's not none. The teachers coming on to whinge about having to turn a PC on while they're on a break are basically giving the public a good reason not to support them.

The teachers coming on to whinge about having to turn a PC on while they're on a break are basically giving the public a good reason not to support them.

I rather suspect from this that you weren’t supporting them anyway and happy to just make shit up to stick the boot in further.