To remind you that no photo ID = no right to vote.

[SusiePevensie]

Get ID here: www.gov.uk/apply-for-photo-id-voter-authority-certificate

Before the Voter ID law UK citizens over 18 had the right to vote.

Now we don't.

Unless we produce the approved documentation.

We've become a "Papers please" society.

And lost another right we used to have.

I can't take this in any way seriously anymore with "we don't have right to vote" repeated moan. It's just eye catching nonsensical phrase for dummies.

Most of the world manages with IDs and forms for them, I am pretty sure that people of Britain will too.

Yep, and not enough people seem to give a shit 😕

Blah, blah, blah.

Sorry, but this IS an incoherent argument that's clearly not based on facts. This is strictly an emotional reaction and an irrational one at that.

It's odd that it's only lefties in GB who hold the fear that this disenfranchises certain groups of people and their favoured lefty party.

Lefties in Northern Ireland had no such fear when the required ID had to include a photo since 2003. Although ID was required from 1985.

On top of that, various European states had no such fear either.

Great Britain is NOT somehow uniquely disadvantaged with the new requirement to provide voter ID.

Accept and get used to it. It's much easier than you think....🤷‍♂️

Blah, blah, blah.
🤣 Good point, well made - sorry, but are you five?! 😂

Accept and get used to it. It's much easier than you think....🤷‍♂️
Careful, your privilege is showing.a bit there....

Most people have no clue this is happening. Which is exactly the government's plan.

'But Northern Ireland, but Northern Ireland, but Northern Ireland' the incessant whine goes.

Blah blah blah.

The Electoral Commission started publicising the new requirement from January 2023 and will continue to do so until May.

Any other objection is more blah, blah, blah. You do realise the Electoral Commission recognises Northern Ireland as a successful example of using voter ID....right?! 🤷‍♂️

The default is now that UK citizens cannot vote unless...

No, Northern Ireland has the least amount of disposable income in the UK.

m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/business/northern-ireland/northern-ireland-poorest-region-in-uk-for-disposable-income-new-figures-reveal/42095430.html

And bottom for employment statistics:

"Northern Ireland has ranked among the bottom two UK nations or regions for employment in all but 12 of the past 115 quarters."

"Prior to the Covid crisis, Northern Ireland set a number of economic records – employment, output, unemployment, export and more,” Johnston said. “However, whilst the region’s performance appeared strong when considered against its own historical context, it remains weaker than competitor nations and regions across the UK, Ireland and Europe.”

Just under half of Northern Ireland's parliamentary constituencies are in the bottom poorest within the UK as well.

Northern Ireland has a higher proportion of households with no savings than Great Britain (45% compared to 33%).

We're also the poorest performing part of the UK for productivity:

www.qub.ac.uk/News/Allnews/featured-research/NorthernIrelandispoorestperformingUKregionforproductivity.html

And by poorest part of the UK, this means in comparison to the entirety of England, Scotland and Wales.

Not in comparison to subregions such as counties or shires in GB.

All in all, Northern Ireland is poorer than England, Scotland and Wales.

And this does NOT equate to a denial of a right to vote any more than requiring photographic driving licences is a denial of a right to drive.....

Voter ID is 100% legal, including constitutionally. Ergo, nobody is blocked from voting.🤦‍♂️

Oh please....what privilege?! 🤦‍♂️

Your "argument" is so strong you ignore most of the facts that undermine it. If you're so concerned the poor won't be able to vote, you'll be happy to know this is NOT the case.

www.gov.uk/apply-for-photo-id-voter-authority-certificate

The VAC is free for them. And they'll be able to vote with that.

Next.....

That is default in absolute majority of developed countries. Even underdeveloped countries are managing IDs.

Frankly if part of Brits can't sort out free ID for themselves, you have bigger problems and voting is the least of them.

Nobody checks your licence before you start up your vehicle to drive so that is a false equivalency isn't it?

The right to for British citizens over 18 to vote has been removed.

British citizens can't vote unless

we provide the approved documents

and they are accepted.

"Papers Please"

That is default in absolute majority of developed countries. Even underdeveloped countries are managing IDs.
So it's OK to strip away something we once had by making it harder for some by adding extra red tape - as other countries manage fine doing it?!
Bit of a strange argument imo, I mean where does that line of thinking end/or people start to think "hang on a minute...?"

Good to see.
There's a reason unfortunately that in recent times there's more and more requirement for asking for this. Either we have higher penalties for people posing as someone else or we actually use ID cards.
I know not 100% of fraud will be eradicated but it costs all of us in the end when ID fraud occurs.

No one is stripping anything from anyone fgs.

Again, if the main argument is that part of population can't sort out even free ID for themselvs, voting is the least of the problems here

The argument is:

British citizens can't vote

Unless

we provide the approved documents

^And
^
they are accepted.

"Papers Please"

No, it's not false equivalency as it's illegal to drive a car without a driving licence in the same way it's now illegal to vote without having officially approved ID.

A driving licence can and will be checked at any time.

You're blatantly incorrect to claim that "The right to for British citizens over 18 to vote has been removed" since the right to vote is still intact.

Pretty amazing you've blatantly ignored the Supreme Court ruling in a case brought by a pensioner! 🤦‍♂️

Requiring voter ID is perfectly legal. It doesn't deny anyone a thing.

Put it this way....if you truly believe voters are being denied a right to vote, why don't you and a few numpties in this thread bring a case against the UK Government in the Supreme Court?

Oh yes....you won't bother because you already know no-one is denied a thing and requiring ID is 100% legal! 🤷‍♂️

That's not an argument - it's a statement of fact!🤷‍♂️

Nobody denies that fact. What is denied is your claptrap about "The right to for British citizens over 18 to vote has been removed." Clearly untrue. 🙈

Well it isn't claptrap to suggest that it's a con to up votes for the Tories by default. It's widely recognised, and is an idea stolen from Trump.

The default is that British citizens no longer have the right to vote.

Someone who has been voting for 54 years could turn up to vote in May and be turned away if they don't have the approved documents or if their photo ID isn't accepted.

The default used to be that we could vote.

Now the default is that we can't, unless...

The day that someone prevents you from starting your car until they have scrutinised your documents a driving licence will still not be equivalent to this Voter ID law unless people who don't have a driving license will also be physically prevented from driving.

You're not going to hotwire the ballot box, are you?

Ok. I will try to give simple example of right take away vs voter ID

Free movement pre Brexit. You had roght for free movement within EU and reside there. Even if you didn't have a passport, you still had that right. But (as with mumsnet, with rights there is also always but) you needed a proof that you have that right to exercise that right - valid travel document. Not having it didn't mean you didn't have the right.
Now you don't have that right. You cannot longer just pack up and ho even if you have passport.
That is when the right is taken away.

Voting. You have right to vote. But (again) you need a proof that you have that right. Even if you don't have the proof you still have the right to vote, you just can't. Like you had right to free movement but couldn't anyway without passport.

You have right to free speech, unless...
Right to religious freedom, unless...

Unless doesn't mean you don't have a right. Unless is part of every right.

Saying "we don't have right to vote" because you are required to obtain free ID is wrong.

But considering even I with English as 2nd/3rd language understand that, I strongly suspect you do too. But it just sounds more waaah

It is claptrap to suggest exactly that. But if you genuinely believe it is, the solution is to get organised to ensure as many people around you know about the new requirement.

And no, it's an idea that's NOT taken from Trump. Considering how often ALL the reports on voter ID by the Electoral Commission has mentioned Northern Ireland as a successful example for GB to follow....it very obviously comes from the Northern Ireland example. 🤔

More waaahhh, waaahhh, waaahhh!

Seriously, if you truly believe you've actually got a point there....get a lawyer and take it to the Supreme Court.

I think we all know you won't because you know you don't have an argument. Waahhh, waaaahhh, waahhh on the Internet is much more fun....isn't it?

Bring on voter ID which will finally be right across the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Instead of being restricted to just one part of our country....