How much does my tenant owe me?

[Golaz]

Hi all,

I’ve had a tenant in my flat on for a few years. She’s been on a rolling contract since the first six months. She normally pays rent on the 11th of the month for the month ahead.

I gave her notice on 22nd January, that I would need the flat back by 16th April. (Under a rolling contract I need to give 2 months notice, but I wanted to let her know earlier rather than later, to give her some time to sort something).

On the 4th February she informed me she had found somewhere and would be moving out probably around the middle of February. I followed up today and asked if she had a date. She told me yes- she’s moving out on the 18th and will return on the 20th to clean the place.

How much rent does she owe me? She’s already paid until the 11th. She seems to think she only needs to pay for an extra week until the 18th , but in the rolling contract she’s supposed to give me one months notice so I feel like she should pay until the 4th March.

AIBU?

Literally nothing you are saying has anything to do with me or this thread. Whatever it is that is driving you to send these messages to me- im quite clear that it’s a “you” problem.

Huh? She does have to leave the flat clean

I know right. I suppose I’m representing all women as well.

Thank you 👍🏻

Thank you, and I do understand that and accept that IWBU for expecting tenant to pay until the 4th March.

But I don’t think it was unreasonable for me to ask the question/ for advice, especially since it is what the contract provides.

Meanwhile, as for calling me “scum” , this is an example of what I am receiving

Honestly OP IS Portraying herself as an entitled, passive aggressive person. Her replies ARE passively sarcastic, she really is a stain on landlords with a poor me complex.
She thinks she’s being smart with her a snippy relies but she’s further cementing what an awful person she is. She needs to come down off of her high horse and holier than that attitude.

Your tenant has so far proved herself a model tenant: always paid the rent, agreed to leave when given notice, found somewhere quickly and kept you informed of her plans. She will clean the property before handing in the keys.

So be equally gracious and charge her rent until the 19th Feb and agree that you will meet on the 20th Feb after she has done her cleaning, which should not take more than a couple of hours, so you can get the key back. Then make sure she gets her the deposit back promptly once you have checked the condition of the flat and that you give her a good reference.

It really is not that complicated. There really is no justification for you to consider asking her to pay rent after that...

You chose to give her notice so why do you expect her to have to give you notice as well? she is just following your instructions to leave...

You are getting a hard time on this thread because it just sounds like you wanted her to stay until the last minute so you could get as much money as possible out of her before you were ready to move in yourself and you are failing to show any kind of appreciation for a tenant who has never put a foot wrong for years and is now leaving with a fuss.

The criticism might not be pleasant to read but it is fully justified.

Ok. I can only assume you haven’t read the thread.

And for everyone bringing up references that’s already done.

Just do the right thing OP. Don’t be a dick.

Golaz I agree that the post you quoted was unnecessarily harsh. I think it's fine to voice an opinion but not to indulge in character assassination, especially as you had taken on board various people's comments.

I didn’t use the word Scum OP. Please don’t make things up. Perhaps you should read the post again. As you have so “graciously” implies to others”.

Don’t create your own narrative to try to gain sympathy. Your actions are staining to decent landlords. Own your actions. The poor me mentality is proving tiresome.

your replies are passive aggressive and snippy - if you don’t want to be viewed in a negative way then don’t act in such a negative way.

The poor me act is getting old! If you take your actions are “scum” from the replies that’s on you. But I never said that. So please don’t make things up.

You have gone from “up on your high horse” to “poor me”! And making things up! It lacks decorum and class!

Thank you

You asked her to leave. She's leaving a lot earlier than you requested. She's not going to hang around just because you want her rent. She has to take an opportunity if one arises, and she has. What would you have done if she couldn't find anywhere at the time of your your given date?

It's landlords like you that give others a bad name. Take it on the chin and thank her for being so understanding.

You sound a nasty piece of work. She is probably relieved that you've pushed her into moving out.

There is some really bad advice being given here on this thread.

The S21 that you issued should be in line with the tenancy, so if the tenancy and rent started on the 11th, then the 2 month notice period will be from 11th February and ending the 10th April.

In the meantime, if a tenant finds something else, then they LEGALLY need to give you ONE MONTH notice from the rent date. So if she notified you on the 4th Feb, then her notice period would be 11th February until 10th March. She legally needs to pay you for this period of time.

You can, however, agree to release her early from the notice period, but that is entirely up to you.

If the tenant is coming back to clean on the 20th, then if you want to be nice, I suggest you charge them until the 20th.

Does anyone bother reading the thread?

The op has said numerous times THEY ARE ONLY CHARGING UNTIL THEY GET THE KEYS BACK.

I haven't read the whole thread, but legally she owes you rent until 10 March (because she pays her rent on the 11th of each month, so that's her rental period).
You gave her 2 months' notice on 22nd January, which means for 10th April (as you have to count 2 full months from the next 11th, which was 11 February) - so you didn't actually give her more notice than you legally had to if you had to give 2 months' notice.
She then gave you one month's notice on 4th February, which means until 10 March to make it a full rental period. You can both only give notice from the next 11th of any month.
So you could absolutely insist that she pays rent until 10 March - but the question is, do you really want to? As many posters have said, maybe you should just be happy that she's moving out without fuss? But that's up to you.

''@Golaz Ok. I can only assume you haven’t read the thread.''

I have read enough...

Not that there is a need to read every single post, because the above comment in itself yet again show that you come across as tone-deaf and seriously passive aggressive, as pretty much everyone on the thread has already told you...

I hope your lovely tenant has moved to a place where she will have a decent landlord who actually appreciate tenants like her.

whatever you were seeking from posting that, I hope it fulfilled its purpose for you @Greenfairydust

actually they don't have to leave the flat clean - it only needs to be handed back in the condition it was found in, less fair wear and tear. Therefore if the kitchen hood filter wasn't new and was filled with grease (quite common in rentals) then its not on the tenant to clean or replace the filter.

If it was dusty, or had bags of rubbish chucked out the back when they moved in they are fine to leave it dusty and chuck their rubbish out the back as well when the leave.

Also fair wear and tear has a legal standing as well - Im sure that a carpet lifespan is 8 years - therefore if the carpet is damaged you cannot charge for a new one, only for the residual value of what's left. If said carpet was over 8 year then LL you are shit out of luck and the tenant doesn't have to cover for it.

Absolutely right.