To think that this book should not be sold to young girls?

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twitter.com/Waterstones/status/1623584986740953091?s=20&t=WU0D0fzc6ClGJC5R-gJnuw

Waterstones tweeted celebrating a book that is about transing girls. Here is one of the illustrations from the book.

AIBU to think that this is directly promoting self harm to young vulnerable girls?

No, it doesn't show that 30% stopped their hormone treatment.

It shows that 30% hadn't obtained a new prescription over a ninety day period.

The most obvious reason for this would seem to be that they simply left the programme. Military Healthcare is generally only open to children of military personnel until they are 21. Slightly longer if they are in education.

So how many of those 30% didn't get their prescription because they aged out of the system?

How many of them didn't get their prescription because they could no longer afford the co-pay amount?

The leap to assume that that 30% had detransitioned is nonsensical.

By all means, enlighten us as to what you think, for example, my motivations are for thinking and arguing that trans people should have access to the gender affirming care that the overwhelming consensus of expertise tells us can help improve gender dysphoria and quality of life?

Why do more people who have had ‘gender affirming care’ commit suicide?

Why do teens who have been given affirming hormones suffer more depression?

Why do adults push gender affirming care on teens? To show there cannot have been any other course of action than the one they chose for themselves, which they can’t undo. To make sure the teens do not naturally desist when they are a bit older, as the majority do if they are not given hormones and affirmation, because this would mean people are not necessarily ‘just trans’.

This is the trouble. You have no idea. We have no idea.

This is the best data we have so far and it’s still poor quality. You have nothing better. That should tell you something.

The gender clinics are just experimenting with the health of these people but they are refusing to gather any data to prove it works.

The precise percentage isn’t really the issue, it’s the fact that you (and the trans activists) are advocating for the health of some people to be sacrificed for others.

Growing numbers of people are undergoing medical ‘never- events’ because there is no reliable diagnosis to prevent it. In a normal world, if we were seeing this level of unnecessary harm to some in order to theoretically ‘benefit’ others, all treatments like this would be called off. The facts that there are not even proveable long term benefits for the people this is supposed to be helping makes it even worse.

Why are you so keen on people’s health being sacrificed in case others might benefit? I’m intrigued.

For the lurkers, the reason we have to have so many arguments is that GIDS completely failed on any follow ups. So nobody has any actual idea and we have to try to piece together slivers of information and try comparing green apples to yellow pears.

I have no idea why adults rock up on threads about the harm being done to children and swerve the discussions to discuss adults. It's up to others to decide why some like to divert these discussions from children to adults.

Children deserve to be in a society where their age and vulnerabilities are recognised and they are protected from making age inappropriate decisions by all the adults around them - especially when the impact on their future lives is so catastrophic.

It’s just not true that we have no idea.

You seem to be mistaking limitations of studies for fatal flaws. The idea that the US military health system study is better than all the other studies is for the birds.

You also seem to be under the impression that we have to wait until we have a perfect evidence base - even if it means people suffering unnecessarily. In reality all healthcare developments are based on an evidence base which is good enough - no evidence is ever perfect.

And when you have multiple studies all showing the same thing, the chances are that notwithstanding any limitations in individual studies, the collective thrust of their conclusions is probably fairly reliable.

Do you think it has anything to do with all the people who lie and insist children are making decisions which are actually generally only taken by adults?

On the contrary - children are deciding they're "trans" in primary schools now. Some schools transition children in secret from their parents. Children of any age can buy puberty blockers from struck off GPs operating online with adults who took their children to be sterilised at 16 now fund raising to offer children "trans affirmative care". Add to that the dodgy men online persuading children to join their "glitter family" and step away from their parents, the evidence clearly demonstrates an out and out assault on children from unsuitable adults.

The idea that adults with such a disregard for children's safety and wellbeing are not encouraging / enabling children to seek surgery / drugs before they're old enough or mentally well enough to give informed consent is naive in the extreme. It defies everything we know about how children are coerced into age inappropriate behaviour by some adults.

You also seem to be under the impression that we have to wait until we have a perfect evidence base - even if it means people suffering unnecessarily. In reality all healthcare developments are based on an evidence base which is good enough - no evidence is ever perfect.

At the moment there is virtually no evidence base. People are suffering unnecessarily- they are being misdiagnosed and undergoing life changing treatment and surgery that harms their long term health.

No evidence is ever perfect, agreed. The evidence we have says this approach causes harm. I honestly can’t see why you’re so ok with that.

What possible benefit is there to a tiny minority that justifies the harm to so many? And don’t start claiming that people will commit suicide if they don’t get to medically transition - that is an outright lie.

I hope you have noticed that many of the most powerful advocates for child transition and prevention of puberty are middle aged men who went through a normal puberty, fathered children and had a successful career (enjoying good physical health). They survived, they didn’t commit suicide because they couldn’t medically transition. They might not have enjoyed the process of growing up but they had the opportunity to do so.

Therefore this is not essential ‘treatment’.

They are advocating for the essential process of puberty and full maturation to be denied to impressionable young people who are most likely (80%) to change their minds about ‘gender identity’ when fully grown.

You’re just making things up.

We don’t have ‘virtually no evidence base’ - that’s a lie.

The evidence does not show that gender affirmation causes harm - quite the opposite.

The idea that 80% of people transitioning will change their minds is plucked from thin air (that is the politer version of where I want to say it is pulled from) and has no evidential backing at all.

Your post is just one incorrect claim after another.

Oh and my response didn’t even touch on the callous and batshit crazy idea that if a trans person didn’t kill themselves after not receiving gender affirming care, it must not be essential treatment.

Its a bit like saying that because I’m a lesbian who experienced homophobia but didn’t kill myself, eliminating homophobia isn’t essential to the well-being of gay people.

It also conveniently and cruelly ignores those trans people who are not around to advocate for change precisely because they have been lost to suicide.

Absolutely despicable view!

You can always tell when you've touched a nerve when they demand a deletion!

At least we know where you are coming from so to speak Tea.

Maybe it's because if you're incapable of discussing without personal attacking posters, they're going to go as they're against talk guidelines
Nothing to do with "touching a nerve" 🙄
Just want to read the discussion without 5 year old name calling here personally

At least we know where you are coming from so to speak Tea.

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@RedAndBlueStripedGolfingUmbrella Nice try. There was no name calling, my post was about society in general, and certain forces in play.
With the traffic at the moment I’m sure enough people saw it, and the deletion will open some eyes. 😏

You called other posters useful idiots. If that's not name calling I'm not sure what is.

Gaslighting at it's finest though, well done.

Is it against talk guidelines to ask why some adults are just so, so wedded to this?

It is weird the things they don't want us to point out.

Didn't see yours TBF 7worfs, as you can see from the timing I practically cross posted with you and didn't see your comment before posting - I was referring to the "touched a nerve" poster and a couple of other ones I saw

Ah, there you go then- and that isn't personal attacking - Okey dokey, as you say gaslighting or oblivious to what they're actually saying, who the flip knows anymore 😕