To think that this book should not be sold to young girls?

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twitter.com/Waterstones/status/1623584986740953091?s=20&t=WU0D0fzc6ClGJC5R-gJnuw

Waterstones tweeted celebrating a book that is about transing girls. Here is one of the illustrations from the book.

AIBU to think that this is directly promoting self harm to young vulnerable girls?

Can you answer the question about other surgeries?

How do doctors know which 47% of women who have breast reconstruction surgery after a mastectomy will regret their decision?

This whole issue reminds me of the thalidomide scandal. Doctors found what they were convinced was a wonder drug to prevent morning sickness, turns out they were wrong. It took years to link the birth defects with the drug, and thousands of women and babies were affected. @TeaKlaxon do you think they were right to halt thalidomide as only some people were affected, or do you believe that they should have carried on, as some people did not have adverse effects?

I asked you three questions which you have repeatedly refused to answer.

You've refused to retract the outright, blatant lie that trans men can breastfeed after a double mastectomy, even though I took the time to repeatedly post the references.

You have ignored all the links I've posted, and repeatedly ignored my questions.

Why in the name of fuck would you expect me to answer yours?! 😂

There are not 5000 children a year medically transitioning.

Again, you're making things up.

It's very sad that adolescent/ teen girls seem so ill equipped to transition into womanhood let alone into a different gender.

Body dismorphia is real.

Feeling you are in the wrong body is real.

No one is forcing the book onto anyone. If girls identify with what's between the pages then l reckon it won't be a shock to parents.

Having something , anything! That touch on young trans issues has to be a good thing right?

Jumping straight to having double mastectomies and constructed penises is a conversation that won't and l believe shouldn't take place for years.

Having ' the' conversation about how 'they' feel, accepting those feelings and realising that they may need medication and or cbt treatments that lasts for years is a start. It wont be easy but if it avoids self harm - l'm for it.

( I don't have a trans kid, l have a nephew who is definitely 'fluid'. As a family we are supportive. At 15, there's years for him to decide. His mental health is good but that could change. We will be there if it does. My sister and her husband have made changes to their outlook. Hope this helps someone.)

I haven't made anything up. It's in here:

www.theguardian.com/society/2022/nov/24/an-explosion-what-is-behind-the-rise-in-girls-questioning-their-gender-identity

Unlike you. With your blatant lie that trans men can breastfeed after a double mastectomy. Still not going to retract that, eh? Do you think no one can read? Do you think you can just keep ignoring questions and throw out a load of unjustified accusations and think that people reading this thread can't see exactly what you're doing?

I don't have a trans kid, l have a nephew who is definitely 'fluid'
How does "fluid" actually present in the real world?

I don't at all expect you to answer. Because if you did, you'd have to say that doctors have no foolproof way to identify which 47% will regret breast reconstruction surgery, but nonetheless you do not think (I assume?) that no one should have breast reconstruction surgery.

Of course you won't answer - because that answer shows either inconsistency or hypocrisy.

As for how doctors know which 1% to (maybe...) 4% will regret medically transitioning, the answer is the same. There isn't a foolproof way. There are factors that doctors know about that can indicate likelihood of regret - the severity of gender dysphoria and how long it has lasted are good indicators. But I do not claim they are foolproof.

I just don't think we should stop surgeries that help 96%+ people because 4% may regret them. What's more, I don't think you do either - because if you did you'd also be stopping breast reconstruction surgery.

www.thefp.com/p/i-thought-i-was-saving-trans-kids?r=7xe38&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post

Someone who actually knows what they're talking about.

OK so what's the solution?

Halt knee surgeries until the regret level is lower? What level must it fall to before people can get surgery?

What level should regret about breast reconstruction surgery fall to before we list any ban on that?

If you accept that lots of surgeries carry regret - at levels much higher than transitioning - then why is it only transitioning that comes with calls for the treatment to be halted entirely but the rest just need a 'conversation'?

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35452119/

70% continuation rate is the headline. That means 30% didn’t continue.

Littmann’s ROGD paper stood up to peer review and is a valid paper asking a valid question.

I said that some trans men who have had top surgery can chest feed.

So does the NHS.

“How do doctors know which 47% of women who have breast reconstruction surgery after a mastectomy will regret their decision?”

Are we talking about women who’ve had mastectomies due to breast cancer? You wouldn’t be so crass as to draw a direct comparison between women who’ve lost their breasts and girls who’ve had healthy breasts amputated? Would you TeaKlaxon?

I don't really give that much of a shit if adult women want to opt for breast reconstruction, or not. If half of them regret it then I think that's probably a very good reason to call a halt for a bit and do some more investigation into why. It's not medically necessary, so if it's harmful, I absolutely think it could be right to stop doing that surgery until we understand more about the risk/benefit balance.

I'm not very invested in whether or not adult women choose to have breast reconstruction. The stakes are not that high. I would not object if they stopped offering that surgery.

I find it extremely odd and disturbing that you are so heavily invested in insisting that children should be allowed to embark on a path that may well make them mutilated, in pain, dependent on drugs, infertile and unable to breastfeed, where the stakes are hugely high.

I find your triumphalist attitude and your dismissal of both the stories of detransitioners and the evidence of whistleblowers really, really very suspect indeed.

Quote the papers and authors. Should be easy enough.

What level of regret would it take, do you think, for us to stop doing knee replacements?

Anything that goes a long with a young person thinking that invasive surgeries and puberty blockers are the right response to a mental health issue is wrong.

We don't celebrate anorexia, rightly so, so why celebrate any other mental health issue?

There are other ways of helping trans identifying kids but the TRAs call that conversion therapy.

It's so ghoulish of any adult to encourage children on a pathway which damages their bodies.

One day this will be looked back on with the horror and contempt it deserves.

It has been falsely claimed it is not possible to predict breastfeeding outcomes after chest masculinisation surgery based on surgical technique (13). Where surgery removes and grafts the nipple-areola complex, there is little to no possibility of milk removal from the nipple, even should glandular tissue remain. Where the nipple is kept in place but tissue underneath it removed and duct connections cut or nipple integrity forfeited, milk removal is also impossible. Furthermore, surgical complications such as necrosis can result in nipple loss (4, 14, 15) and surgery that removes the nipple and areola entirely may be chosen (16, 17). Considered together, these factors mean that many, if not most, individuals who have undergone chest masculinisation mastectomy, are unlikely to retain ability to both produce and extract milk. Proper discussion is required for the patient to choose and consent. Without recognising that the future will include pregnancy for at least some patients, surgeons cannot offer a conservative approach; either of deferring surgery or attempting to preserve some function.

www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fgwh.2023.1073053/full

It's very sad that adolescent/ teen girls seem so ill equipped to transition into womanhood let alone into a different gender.

But why do adolescent girls, who have not displayed any signs of body dysmorphia up until this point, need to transition into a ‘different gender’? Are you saying that feeling unhappy with their bodies or their lives means a teenager is ‘trans’?

Why has Western society been coached into having earnest discussions about teenagers feeling unhappy and therefore this means they’re ‘trans’ and might need to medicate/ have surgery?

Why does anyone sensible think that encouraging a teenager to either socially or medically ‘transition’ to a different gender is going to make them feel any more able to cope with their adolescence/ adult life? Surely it makes it harder.

I’m not interested in doing anything with knee surgeries or those other topics, because that’s not my focus. People concerned about that can address it, and they’d have a valid case.

I am concerned about children and gender treatments. I’m not here or active in real life trying to solve all the cases of medical regret.

Yes you have.

There are simply not 5000 children medically transitioning every year. That is a lie and your own link proves it.

The 5000 figure is referrals to GIDS.

Referral is not the same as medical transitioning. In fact, in 2019, only about 6% of children referred to GIDS ended up on puberty blockers.

Also lied that pubery blockers are entirely reversible within a few months of taking them.

Why was Jazz Jennings been left with toddler sized genitals then.

*within a few months of stopping taking them

The question I asked you was: is it, or is it not, transphobic to believe that one needs to have a certain type of body because of what gender they are?

Do you have an answer, or do you not know?

Please can you try not to mix up the terms "sex" and "gender" when you answer - it's at best confusing.

At least 300 children have been placed on puberty blockers by GIDS. It was 267 between 2012 and 2018 so it’s a safe conclusion that more were commenced after that before the Bell judgment.

Of those children, the majority will have been progressed onto wrong sex hormones.

A good deal of that number are now adults. Little is known about how they’re going.