To think the adoration of Zelensky in the UK feels very wrong?

[WarWhatIsItGoodFor]

Exactly that. Why are UK politicians lapping it all up and hanging on to his every word? The laughter from MPs when he said he enjoyed English tea but now wants English planes… in what sense is that funny? He is wanting war planes to cause more bloodshed, death and destruction. I hope this doesn’t lead to Russian retaliation.

What a sourpuss.

Meanwhile in Gaziantep … 🙄

Lmao fuck off OP.

Absolutely this! He's a dictator who has imposed martial law in parts of his country. He also has started attacking Orthodox Churches as those who attend are considered too sympathetic to Russia - despite the fact Ukraine is an Orthodox country. He's getting rich off the backs of the suffering of his own people. This war cannot be won and he knows it. It is better to admit that now and start peace negotiations than carry on for 20 years, let Ukraine be destroyed and then conclude peace.

Remember Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya Vietnam, Korea - when will we learn?

I absolutely agree with this...

@Warriormum1

Also totally agree and it's tedious when someone jumps on a poster in this way

If Russia stops fighting, there's no more war.

If Ukraine stops fighting, there's no more Ukraine.

That simple enough for you to understand, OP?

Me too 😉

Thank you but no they are not safe. My aunt’s florist was bombed, her apartment was on top of that florist. She’s dead, my two cousins who work with her are dead and customers who were in the shop also. Three of my cousins who were enlisted - two are dead. Friends husbands who enlisted, I know 4 out of 9 who are dead. School and kindergartens bombed, children of friends are dead.

Its not Britain’s place to fight the war for Ukraine but we can help. Ukraine has corruption but it will take a long time for this to be gotten rid of. As I said in my previous post, all post-Soviet countries have corruption due to the Russian political influence still trying to keep things as they were.

I have friends who are Russian. I have friends and relatives are Latvian or Ukrainian and married to Russians. We thought these days were over. There are men both sides of the border fighting family and friends. During WWII in Latvia part of the the country was taken over by Nazis the other part still USSR fathers were fighting sons, brothers fighting brothers due to the occupied territory. Disgusting and now you have the same thing 100 years later. Humans never learn, you can have all the technology and improvements in living you want - humankind will still act like dogs.

Not to mention Putin is a disgrace to his own nation. Using his men as canon fodder to satisfy his own greed and desperate need to be seen as the one who tried to ‘rescue ‘ Ukraine. Mothers losing sons, wives losing husbands, children losing fathers, sisters losing brothers. Hopefully one day those in Russia who still believe the propaganda will realise the the death toll doesn’t matter to Putin.

You think Zelensky is causing bloodshed? Really?

I think you need to look up some history. Going back to 24 February 2022 would be a start.

Who knew there were no many ill-informed Russian sympathisers on here.

This is a very interesting video, a very pro Ukraine vlogger (ex Aussie army ,, highly decorated fought in Afghanistan) interviews at length an Aussie army volunteer fighting in Bahkmut - says the Ukraine's are losing the war slowly, the Russians are much smarter than we are being led to believe and there is a good chance they will 'win' the war.

Oh and the Russian casualty rate is being widely exaggerated and Ukrainians are taking much more. And there is massive corruption in the Ukrainian army that is denying front line troops vital equipment and they are having to buy some from Ukrainian black marketers effectively.

Wagner are utterly ruthless but highly competent and very well armed, the prisoner conscripts are used as bait to expose Ukrainian positions and are very much more well equipped and have Chinese contractors helping them out. It's Vietnam all over again but without embedded western reporters. It sounds like a cry for help - ex mil guys will know whether this guy checks out but he sounds very legit to me.

He goes on to add that most of the foreign volunteers are aghast that the majority of the Ukrainian commanders are useless whereas the the troops are great.

Probably the most sobering front line account I have heard to date. The interviewee is intelligent, his thoughts are structured, and his assessment isn't based on bravado (unlike some others I've seen). The examples were numerous, and the overall picture consistent.

Nobody, not even Johnson, has suggested leaving ourselves with zero tanks or zero aircraft.

The small number of Challengers being supplied don't have any great effect on UK operational numbers (though TBF that isn't as big a number as many would like).

If the UK does supply any aircraft it looks like it will be a very early version of the Typhoon, airframes which have already been mothballed by the RAF as being surplus and slightly outdated, the UK won't be taking aircraft from it's current front line.

FWIW there's also bit of an argument to be made that we are better off donating equipment now to stop the Russians in the east, rather than waiting to use it if they get closer to home..

There's certainly a whole other discussion to be had about whether the UK has been spending enough on defence in recent decades anyway.

Not someone I would admire, I feel deeply sorry for the innocent people, do some research.

"Do some research"

Full house!!!

Yep! I think some of them must have a humiliation kink, honestly.

@Aishah231

Why do you suppose there is martial law in a country that has been invaded? Give it a go

Orthodox Church? Do you mean the governmyaffiliated RUSSIAN Orthodox church whose Patriach is ex KGB and who support the terrorists? Because re Ukrainian Orthodox Church j is doing just fine. Why do you think zelensky might shut down spies and turncoats. Give it a go.

And peace talks. Ah yes. What do you think Russia should pay for peace.

There were naysayers like this post at the start of WWII, plenty of people supported Germany as it was wasn't in their back yard.

It was reported in the press the last few months that they are building concentration camps

www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2022/04/30/why-is-russia-setting-up-detention-centres-in-ukraine

There is a playbook in place here and Putin knows it

Putin has no moral compass and unfortunately he thinks he has the justification to do what he’s doing. I don’t think he’s necessarily convinced anyone that the plan will work, but given how many people have mysteriously fallen out of windows in Russia, would you disagree with him ?

Well, no, not really. Germany was the aggressor and as in all wars, different countries pick different sides. This is different in that by arming Ukraine, the west is fighting what is generally accepted to be a proxy war with Russia, and I don’t think the poster is a naysayer - just pointing out the very real possibility of Russian retaliation and an eventual nuclear confrontation as a result. Putin is promising something dramatic on the anniversary of the invasion and there is growing concern that he intends to regroup and try to bomb Ukraine to the negotiating table. Given that he’s nuts and never likely to back down, and that the west can’t do much more than they are without risking annihilation, there will have to be negotiation at some point. And I think what this poster appears to be saying, is why wait until untold numbers of people have died before opening dialogue.

And if we manage to deplete Russia’s conventional military resources ? What then ? Ask yourself what’s left and how likely is Putin to use it.

Fascinating collection of Russian trolls and Useful Idiots in this thread. Sometimes hard to tell the difference between the two.

The RAND report takes every argument in favour of continuing the war and puts a well argued case for seeking peace now rather than later but realises it is a big stretch attitudinally given the narrative to date. It certainly isn't an open chequebook and makes me think that the US is looking for an out if Ukraine cannot win soon.Since Zelenskiy was apparently considering sacking his defence minister at this critical juncture it makes me wonder what we aren't being told. The ex PM of Israel said a peace deal was on the table back in March last year which he was minded to recommend and Zelinskiy to accept but Boris and Biden wanted to push on with a hot war. The difference with WW2 was the utter and total destruction of the aggressor was the aim of the war once started. This is patently not the aim here.

Which presumably would include preparing the Russian people for the possibility of annihilation given that Poland is a NATO country.