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To think the uk is on its knees

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Ilovemycatalot · 02/02/2023 13:43

Just this. Every day negativity. No one is happy with life or working conditions. The country is at an all time low. Living standards getting worse by the day people getting poorer. I know we are not in poverty like some countries but honestly can’t see us ever returning to decent living standards unless you’re the few top percent earners. Tell me I’m being dramatic perhaps I am but can’t see much of a way back from this .

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SconesNotScowns · 11/02/2023 21:03

LexMitior · 09/02/2023 22:59

It's not just Brexit. It is low growth in the economy for over a decade.

Now we in the UK have to pay world prices for food and energy. We have no choice on that since we aren't self sufficient.

So prices have gone up, but incomes are stagnant for most. Ignore the top 10 per cent, and the rest are a lot poorer. It really isn't equal, it's a over a decade of low growth in wages and suddenly middle income families feel poorer. Well compared to France or Germany they are. And this effect just gets worse and worse the further down you are in terms of income.

The UK is rich. But it is very unequal in terms of income. That started years before Brexit.

I’m sorry but it is absolutely to do with Brexit. 100%. Nobody wants to invest in a country with such a limited view on the world.

Eve · 12/02/2023 08:13

And speaking of not wanting to invest in the UK - see the AstraZeneca announcement.

The Uk feels and looks grubby at the moment- I had a very long drive over last few days on mainly A roads & was struck by the amount of litter by the roadside - miles and miles of filthy verges, lay-bys with overflowing bins & potholed roads. A country where people don’t care & no money to clean or repair.

MarshaBradyo · 12/02/2023 08:17

And speaking of not wanting to invest in the UK - see the AstraZeneca announcement.

Corporation tax was a key factor, it’s much higher here. I’m not sure any party could get votes on making it that low. It’s a tricky position, being attractive through tax isn’t discussed much. It’s usually more about what corporations can be made to pay.

Coxspurplepippin · 12/02/2023 09:02

'The Uk feels and looks grubby at the moment- I had a very long drive over last few days on mainly A roads & was struck by the amount of litter by the roadside - miles and miles of filthy verges, lay-bys with overflowing bins & potholed roads. A country where people don’t care & no money to clean or repair.'

We've noticed the same. It makes everywhere feel dingy. We've collected a few bags of rubbish while out for a walk but it feels like pissing in the wind.

GPTec1 · 12/02/2023 11:51

MarshaBradyo · 12/02/2023 08:17

And speaking of not wanting to invest in the UK - see the AstraZeneca announcement.

Corporation tax was a key factor, it’s much higher here. I’m not sure any party could get votes on making it that low. It’s a tricky position, being attractive through tax isn’t discussed much. It’s usually more about what corporations can be made to pay.

As i understand it, AZ were complaining of the price caps on medicines it sells to the NHS, an effect "tax" on revenue streams, rather than CT which is on profit

and even at 25% is still lower than many EU countries e.g Germany at 30% (inc federal and regional taxes) or France even higher.
ROI is of course in the SM EU FOM etc etc, the UK is not, its a dra to foreign investors, rather then just buying companies & selling them off.

We need to careful with life sciences, we are good at them but so are many other countries, not least the USA, China and of course the EU.

I find it quite incredible that 6 1/2 years on from the vote, we have a "secret conference" on how to mitigate Brexit and make the most of it.... as if the options haven't already been discussed and found to be la la land or other countries wont agree too.

Brexit will need to be reversed but atm our politicians are scared of the subject, no wonder really, as they lied to get it & are lying now about its damage.

Novella4 · 12/02/2023 11:57

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 09/02/2023 21:30

I think crap health outcomes and Tories are intrinsically linked.

Of course they are

Drs are also leaving in droves due mainly to conditions ( and low pay but it's the conditions that really bite)
Some are moving to private health care

The tories are dismantling the NHS

Thatcatisdrivingmenuts · 12/02/2023 18:09

I agree. But you know, they barely care what we think. They think we're stupid enough to be taken in by their topsy turvy lies whenever it matters.

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